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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

    New post:

    "A newbie's guide to self-hosting with #YunoHost. Part 4: backups"

    πŸ”— : https://blog.elenarossini.com/a-newbies-guide-to-self-hosting-with-yunohost-part-4-backups/

    Or: this is how newbies do it.

    Dear sysadmins, you have all my respect and admiration, truly. One day I will learn how to do incremental backups with Borg, I promise.

    #blog #sysadmin #selfhosting

    ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA This user is from outside of this forum
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    @_elena Backing up, no matter how you do it, is important, what is even more important is that you test the restoration of your backups. There's a saying that says that an untested backup is no backup at all.

    Also, I would recommend you look at restic over borg, as it's a more modern backup solution that has a very well audited encryption setup. Also, it's easy to setup with autorestic.

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    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

      New post:

      "A newbie's guide to self-hosting with #YunoHost. Part 4: backups"

      πŸ”— : https://blog.elenarossini.com/a-newbies-guide-to-self-hosting-with-yunohost-part-4-backups/

      Or: this is how newbies do it.

      Dear sysadmins, you have all my respect and admiration, truly. One day I will learn how to do incremental backups with Borg, I promise.

      #blog #sysadmin #selfhosting

      ticho@mas.toT This user is from outside of this forum
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      @_elena "Side note: I had to delete all my backups to simulate what the screen would look like for a new user and let me tell you... I was delighted to create a new backup right away (sigh of relief)."

      ...cue the suspense music from any decent horror movie. πŸ™‚

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      • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

        @_elena Backing up, no matter how you do it, is important, what is even more important is that you test the restoration of your backups. There's a saying that says that an untested backup is no backup at all.

        Also, I would recommend you look at restic over borg, as it's a more modern backup solution that has a very well audited encryption setup. Also, it's easy to setup with autorestic.

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        @ainmosni thank you for the feedback DaniΓ«l. May I add your advice to my blog post?

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        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

          New post:

          "A newbie's guide to self-hosting with #YunoHost. Part 4: backups"

          πŸ”— : https://blog.elenarossini.com/a-newbies-guide-to-self-hosting-with-yunohost-part-4-backups/

          Or: this is how newbies do it.

          Dear sysadmins, you have all my respect and admiration, truly. One day I will learn how to do incremental backups with Borg, I promise.

          #blog #sysadmin #selfhosting

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          @_elena

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          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

            @ainmosni thank you for the feedback DaniΓ«l. May I add your advice to my blog post?

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            @_elena Of course!

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            • mensrea@freeradical.zoneM mensrea@freeradical.zone

              @_elena

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              @mensrea OMG πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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              • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

                @_elena Of course!

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                @ainmosni I'm looking after my little one who's home from school with a fever... will try to get to it ASAP.

                Thanks again for the brilliant feedback

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                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                  @ainmosni I'm looking after my little one who's home from school with a fever... will try to get to it ASAP.

                  Thanks again for the brilliant feedback

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                  @_elena No rush, if I my executive dysfunction would ever let me, I might sometime write a blog post about my own self hosted setup.

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                  • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

                    @_elena No rush, if I my executive dysfunction would ever let me, I might sometime write a blog post about my own self hosted setup.

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                    @ainmosni @_elena I'd look forward to both versions (big one on my todo list, incl testing the backup)

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                    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                      New post:

                      "A newbie's guide to self-hosting with #YunoHost. Part 4: backups"

                      πŸ”— : https://blog.elenarossini.com/a-newbies-guide-to-self-hosting-with-yunohost-part-4-backups/

                      Or: this is how newbies do it.

                      Dear sysadmins, you have all my respect and admiration, truly. One day I will learn how to do incremental backups with Borg, I promise.

                      #blog #sysadmin #selfhosting

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                      @_elena excellent, thank you very much. I think I will follow your advice.

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                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                        New post:

                        "A newbie's guide to self-hosting with #YunoHost. Part 4: backups"

                        πŸ”— : https://blog.elenarossini.com/a-newbies-guide-to-self-hosting-with-yunohost-part-4-backups/

                        Or: this is how newbies do it.

                        Dear sysadmins, you have all my respect and admiration, truly. One day I will learn how to do incremental backups with Borg, I promise.

                        #blog #sysadmin #selfhosting

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                        @_elena
                        Hi Elena,

                        Just my 2 cents. I run Yuno for a lot off services. One is next cloud, which contains a lot of data (over 1 terabyte) If I use the yuno backup option I need a huge drive just to do the backup. So now I just shutdown the server, take out the physical nvme drive and connect it to my laptop. Then I use dd to make an exact 1:1 copy of the entire disk. This image is synced to different locations. Maybe this is useful to some folx. Thank you for your continued sharing. πŸ‘πŸ‘

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                        • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

                          @_elena Backing up, no matter how you do it, is important, what is even more important is that you test the restoration of your backups. There's a saying that says that an untested backup is no backup at all.

                          Also, I would recommend you look at restic over borg, as it's a more modern backup solution that has a very well audited encryption setup. Also, it's easy to setup with autorestic.

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                          @ainmosni @_elena

                          That was my first comment too: you’ll have to test your backups otherwise you don’t know if you have backups πŸ™‚
                          It’s a SchrΓΆdinger’s cat type of problem βˆ’> you have to open the box.

                          And it leads me to a second aspect: automation. good backup processes (the one that brings piece of mind) are automated. And of course the backup check can be automated too.
                          It’s piece of cake for a backup solution that you can script (borg, restic, kopia, rsync, etc.) but frankly I don’t know about Yunohost, may be you can’t do better.

                          On the side, I’ll share one of my sysadmin fails: I had a finely tuned backup process with scripts/config/etc. that was running daily for years flawlessly. Someday I leveraged that backup as a source of data to do a server migration (shutdown old system, start new one, restore data from backup). That worked great. Then I tested some web apps: epic failure (missing MySQL tables). What could have gone wrong?
                          Answer: I had setup my backup script to ignore files named */mysql/*log* because I don’t want to backup MySQL log files. Not so much of a surprise: this element of config instructed my backup process to exclude database files named like dc_log.MYD or oc_login_address.ibd (and many others).
                          Of course I had another way to retrieve the missing data. But, hell, I was not comfortable.

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                          • ticho@mas.toT ticho@mas.to

                            @_elena "Side note: I had to delete all my backups to simulate what the screen would look like for a new user and let me tell you... I was delighted to create a new backup right away (sigh of relief)."

                            ...cue the suspense music from any decent horror movie. πŸ™‚

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                            @ticho @_elena, you could have opened your browser's dev tools (with F12), and hack into the page to "delete" the backups by deleting the nodes (they are all in `<a ...>...</a>` tags). That way, you only give the impression there is no backup, but a simple page refresh would make them reappear. πŸ˜‰

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                            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                              New post:

                              "A newbie's guide to self-hosting with #YunoHost. Part 4: backups"

                              πŸ”— : https://blog.elenarossini.com/a-newbies-guide-to-self-hosting-with-yunohost-part-4-backups/

                              Or: this is how newbies do it.

                              Dear sysadmins, you have all my respect and admiration, truly. One day I will learn how to do incremental backups with Borg, I promise.

                              #blog #sysadmin #selfhosting

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                              @_elena
                              > Fun fact - and sorry I'm addressing this point only now but the right way to pronounce "YunoHost" is Why-You-No-Host (Y-U-NO-Host). In the first couple of months of using the service I routinely mispronounced it YoU-No-Host.

                              I have already learned something today and it’s not even 7a! πŸ˜†

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                              • titus@gts.pijean.ovhT titus@gts.pijean.ovh

                                @ticho @_elena, you could have opened your browser's dev tools (with F12), and hack into the page to "delete" the backups by deleting the nodes (they are all in `<a ...>...</a>` tags). That way, you only give the impression there is no backup, but a simple page refresh would make them reappear. πŸ˜‰

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                                @titus @ticho haha thank you!!!

                                I'm glad I won't have to do it ever again though πŸ˜…

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