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You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago

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  • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

    You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
    Turns out that was on purpose

    myrmecofourmis@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
    myrmecofourmis@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
    myrmecofourmis@mastodon.social
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    #98

    @ocean Also making it much harder for small quality websites like mine to still get traffic...

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    • darwinwoodka@mastodon.socialD darwinwoodka@mastodon.social

      @svenjacobs @ocean

      duckduckgo

      earthlingusa@mas.toE This user is from outside of this forum
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      #99

      @svenjacobs @ocean @darwinwoodka Yes, if you need to do an internet search, Duck it.

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      • msbellows@c.imM This user is from outside of this forum
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        #100

        @ocean Holy shzt, that's evil:

        ""Since Google doesn't have any real competition, it can make the best information hard to find, forcing users to stay on Google for longer and interact with more ads....' The strategy appears to be working from a business perspective. The study suggests that poor organic search results actually benefit Google's bottom line in two ways: they make paid advertisements more valuable to users seeking accurate information, and they force users to refine their searches multiple
        times, exposing them to more advertising in the process."

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        • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

          You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
          Turns out that was on purpose

          aetherfox@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote on last edited by
          #101

          @ocean Google has been in a downward spiral towards ever greater evil since they dropped "Don't be evil" as the company motto.

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          • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

            You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
            Turns out that was on purpose

            maxfenton@mas.toM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #102

            @ocean Source?

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            • raktheundead@vmst.ioR raktheundead@vmst.io

              @ocean: Ed Zitron wrote comprehensively on the people responsible.

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              The Man Who Killed Google Search

              Wanna listen to this story instead? Check out this week's Better Offline podcast, "The Man That Destroyed Google Search," available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts. UPDATE: Prabhakar has now been deposed as head of search, read here for more details. This is the story

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              Ed Zitron's Where's Your Ed At (www.wheresyoured.at)

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              que@mastodon.au
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              #103

              @raktheundead @ocean amazing article (also horrible)..
              thanks for sharing.

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              • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                Turns out that was on purpose

                buds_always@mstdn.caB This user is from outside of this forum
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                #104

                @ocean
                I’m old enough to remember when people used to say “Google is your friend”. Enshittification is real and it’s on purpose.

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                • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                  You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                  Turns out that was on purpose

                  stellafoxxie@oldbytes.spaceS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #105

                  @ocean i'm convinced this happened to the search on aliexpress too

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                  • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                    You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                    Turns out that was on purpose

                    mark@mastodon.fixermark.comM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #106

                    @ocean Source appears to be "The Journal Record?"

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                    Is Google making search worse to sell more ads? - NewsBreak

                    As Google faces the prospect of a court-ordered breakup following a recent monopoly ruling, new research suggests the tech giant's declining search quality

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                    I'm not sure this is a topic I'm going to take WalletHub's CEO's word on. And unfortunately, the article doesn't link down to which court documents so I don't have a primary source to form an opinion on.

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                    • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                      You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                      Turns out that was on purpose

                      hellomiakoda@pdx.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #107

                      @ocean Their monopoly is so bad, "alterntives" are often just putting a privacy layer (hopefully) between you and the shitty Google results

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                      • itamarst@hachyderm.ioI itamarst@hachyderm.io

                        @ocean As predicted by Brin and Page: "we expect that advertising funded search engines will be inherently biased towards the advertisers and away from the needs of the consumers." (The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine, 1998 - http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html)

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                        #108

                        @itamarst @ocean
                        Search goes the way of modern news media.

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                        • msbellows@c.imM msbellows@c.im

                          @ocean Holy shzt, that's evil:

                          ""Since Google doesn't have any real competition, it can make the best information hard to find, forcing users to stay on Google for longer and interact with more ads....' The strategy appears to be working from a business perspective. The study suggests that poor organic search results actually benefit Google's bottom line in two ways: they make paid advertisements more valuable to users seeking accurate information, and they force users to refine their searches multiple
                          times, exposing them to more advertising in the process."

                          mark@mastodon.fixermark.comM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #109

                          @msbellows @ocean It's a hypothesis, but I don't think the evidence supports the hypothesis. It ignores the fundamental idea that if Bing offers better search results than Google, people will stop using Google.

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                          • msbellows@c.imM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #110

                            @mark @ocean Except Betamax was better than VHS, and there's no good reason why we're not all carrying phones by Palm Pilot. The point isn't that Google is the best search service; It's that they've achieved such market dominance that they can still get away with being profitably bad.

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                            • stellafoxxie@oldbytes.spaceS stellafoxxie@oldbytes.space

                              @ocean i'm convinced this happened to the search on aliexpress too

                              mcslibinas@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @StellaFoxxie @ocean search in aliexpress is a good example of AI nightmare site. Search not working, descriptions is just bad poetry, the key features are hidden.
                              Oh, also things are made crappy just to sell on that crap site, like multimode flashlights. No one use multimode, everyone hates it, yet there all of them are like that 😂
                              Crap site grows crap items.

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                              • msbellows@c.imM msbellows@c.im

                                @mark @ocean Except Betamax was better than VHS, and there's no good reason why we're not all carrying phones by Palm Pilot. The point isn't that Google is the best search service; It's that they've achieved such market dominance that they can still get away with being profitably bad.

                                mark@mastodon.fixermark.comM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                mark@mastodon.fixermark.com
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                                #112

                                @msbellows @ocean I always have to smile a little when I hear Betamax was better than VHS because my family owned both.

                                Picture quality: not noticeably better on the TVs of the time, which sucked.

                                Hardware fidelity: Betamax tapes could melt to the read drum, ruining the machine and requiring a significant rebuild. My dad's Beta player melted down twice in the years he owned it. Never had that problem with VHS.

                                Not the point though, because I can't think of anything about Bing that would be the equivalent to melting tape to the read drum.

                                (Also, I owned Palm Pilots. The batteries killed them; two or three generations of them with unreliable power was enough to sour the platform).

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                                • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                  You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                  Turns out that was on purpose

                                  feedmd@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #113

                                  @ocean That’s why I’m paying kagi 5 a month. I get results. No ads. Cheers

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                                  • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                    You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                    Turns out that was on purpose

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                                    #114

                                    @ocean the weird part of this is: they do have actual competition. Other search engines exist.

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                                    • ocean@raru.reO ocean@raru.re

                                      You noticed how google search became unusably shit a few years ago?
                                      Turns out that was on purpose

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                                      #115

                                      @ocean I hate google

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                                      • gsuberland@chaos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @osman @seq @morgunkorn hmm. the first email floats the idea of reducing search quality to get more queries, with a caveat of being uncomfortable about it. the rest looks like the results of projects and efforts that were ongoing at the time. am I missing a detail in that email chain that demonstrates that they actually followed through? don't get me wrong, it's gross that they even floated the idea, but if this is intended to be evidentiary proof of committal then I'm not seeing a smoking gun.

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                                        • catswhocode@twoot.siteC catswhocode@twoot.site

                                          @ocean not surprising.
                                          Thankfully I rarely use them! @aetios

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                                          #117

                                          @CatsWhoCode @ocean @aetios

                                          ddg.co !

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