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Do you know what's not accessible?

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  • jtruk@mastodon.socialJ jtruk@mastodon.social

    @jonathanhogg I wonder what the origin story is?
    It feels like something someone wrote in a conference talk to crack a gag about making something over-trendy and unintentionally inaccessible.
    And people used it as a joke to each other so much that the funny wore off and it accidentally got adopted.

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    @jtruk @jonathanhogg the general form (a11y, i18n, k8s) has been around a while now.

    I think i18n came first, probably because it was easier than repeatedly having the "internationalisation vs internationalization" spelling debate...

    But I have seen it said that "k8s" was first because no one could remember how to spell (or pronounce) kubernetes?

    Either way, I absolutely hate that this has just become how the tech industry abbreviates things.

    It feels like it's on the "smug" side of clever

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    • lpbkdotnet@mstdn.socialL lpbkdotnet@mstdn.social

      @jtruk @jonathanhogg the general form (a11y, i18n, k8s) has been around a while now.

      I think i18n came first, probably because it was easier than repeatedly having the "internationalisation vs internationalization" spelling debate...

      But I have seen it said that "k8s" was first because no one could remember how to spell (or pronounce) kubernetes?

      Either way, I absolutely hate that this has just become how the tech industry abbreviates things.

      It feels like it's on the "smug" side of clever

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      @lpbkdotnet @jtruk Wikipedia believes that i18n was coined in the 70s and is DEC's fault. Since humans read word-at-a-time by shape, I consider them all to be instances of "I am too lazy to type and therefore you will have to work harder to read"

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      • jonathanhogg@mastodon.socialJ jonathanhogg@mastodon.social

        @lpbkdotnet @jtruk Wikipedia believes that i18n was coined in the 70s and is DEC's fault. Since humans read word-at-a-time by shape, I consider them all to be instances of "I am too lazy to type and therefore you will have to work harder to read"

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        @jonathanhogg @lpbkdotnet None of this excludes 'a11y' being a joke that got out of hand. I think that's a pretty strong candidate here!

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        • catherineflick@mastodon.me.ukC catherineflick@mastodon.me.uk

          @jonathanhogg yes! I keep reading it as “ally”

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          @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg me too! I’m glad I’m not the only one

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          • jonathanhogg@mastodon.socialJ jonathanhogg@mastodon.social

            Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

            I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

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            @jonathanhogg I also had to look this up (apart from k8s since my brother works on calico, and it actually sounds vaguely like the actual word). So yeah, and as a system architect - no developers should not be using this shorthand in API's - developers should learn to f&^king spell and express themselves clearly in code/docs/etc or have their work QA'd by people who can 🙂

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            • jonathanhogg@mastodon.socialJ jonathanhogg@mastodon.social

              Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

              I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

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              @jonathanhogg

              A8y! I c8y a3e!

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              • jonathanhogg@mastodon.socialJ jonathanhogg@mastodon.social

                @lpbkdotnet @jtruk Wikipedia believes that i18n was coined in the 70s and is DEC's fault. Since humans read word-at-a-time by shape, I consider them all to be instances of "I am too lazy to type and therefore you will have to work harder to read"

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                @jonathanhogg @lpbkdotnet @jtruk But it helps sometimes: try to go a interoperability meeting and you'll see why saying "i14y" is much more pratical.

                Whatever the case, in my texts I always put an abbreviation with the expanded term right in the beginning. If it's seldom used, I only write the expanded form.

                #writing #abbreviations

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                • themediumkahuna@tech.lgbtT themediumkahuna@tech.lgbt

                  @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg me too! I’m glad I’m not the only one

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                  @themediumkahuna Oh, does it not? Even knowing it references accessibility, I still assumed it was to be read as "ally."

                  I hereby declare its use even dumber than I thought.
                  @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg

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                  • jonathanhogg@mastodon.socialJ jonathanhogg@mastodon.social

                    Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

                    I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

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                    @jonathanhogg

                    "But it looks like ally, it's great"

                    Fuck you Jean-Eude. People should not do gatekeeping for something that important.

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                    • gnate@ohai.socialG gnate@ohai.social

                      @themediumkahuna Oh, does it not? Even knowing it references accessibility, I still assumed it was to be read as "ally."

                      I hereby declare its use even dumber than I thought.
                      @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg

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                      @themediumkahuna
                      'xsablt' would even make more sense...
                      @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg

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                      • jonathanhogg@mastodon.socialJ jonathanhogg@mastodon.social

                        Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

                        I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

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                        @jonathanhogg someone wrote a brilliant post about that:

                        Marmly Owl (@Vordus@chitter.xyz)

                        A11y is about the least accessible way of writing 'accessibility' possible. A-11-letters-Y is not enough information to go on unless you've already been primed to understand it. It's aesthetically (a11y) ugly, astonishingly (a11y) pretentious, and has just this awful whiff of artificiality (a11y) about it. In an age where machines will automatically (a11y) type entire words out for you using the shorthand is aggravatingly (a11y) lazy and unintuitive. Quite frankly it strains acceptability (a11y). I don't think that this numeronym is being used appropriately (a11y).

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