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  • matt_999@mastodontech.deM matt_999@mastodontech.de

    @tagir_valeev From an AI point of view it’s the most probable answer, as there are much more „drills“ than „fires“ in the database. Maybe you should connect the assistant to the alarmsystem, so it can check it out. Or maybe… not.

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    @Matt_999 @tagir_valeev it is still probably a good idea to leave your workplace and go to the emergency meeting point, so you get used to the process, and don't forget to take e.g. shoes, jacket, wallet, keys … with you if the alarm turns out to be a real alarm. Or even have to find out first where the next fire extinguisher or the emergency meeting point is…

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    • daniel_bohrer@chaos.socialD daniel_bohrer@chaos.social

      @Matt_999 @tagir_valeev it is still probably a good idea to leave your workplace and go to the emergency meeting point, so you get used to the process, and don't forget to take e.g. shoes, jacket, wallet, keys … with you if the alarm turns out to be a real alarm. Or even have to find out first where the next fire extinguisher or the emergency meeting point is…

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      Omg so much yes to what @daniel_bohrer wrote. You should even if you know it's a drill actually still leave the building because that's the point of a drill.

      The only situation where that's clearly not necessary is: they are inspecting the fire alarm system itself. But that would be communicated very clearly in advance.

      @Matt_999 @tagir_valeev

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      • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

        Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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        @tagir_valeev sure the AI bit is bad, but the employee also needs another fire drill since "writing to slack to find out if somebody knows anything" is definitely not what you should be doing. Leaving the building immediately is.

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        • nd@chaos.socialN nd@chaos.social

          @tagir_valeev sure the AI bit is bad, but the employee also needs another fire drill since "writing to slack to find out if somebody knows anything" is definitely not what you should be doing. Leaving the building immediately is.

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          @nd of course, the employee wrote this while already staying at the meeting point outside the building. I did not say that she wrote this before the evacuation.

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          • betalars@chaos.socialB betalars@chaos.social

            Omg so much yes to what @daniel_bohrer wrote. You should even if you know it's a drill actually still leave the building because that's the point of a drill.

            The only situation where that's clearly not necessary is: they are inspecting the fire alarm system itself. But that would be communicated very clearly in advance.

            @Matt_999 @tagir_valeev

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            @betalars @daniel_bohrer @Matt_999 the 'siren test' AI referring to is exactly that. It's not a drill. The planned siren test may take several hours of occasional alarms, and it doesn't mean that you should leave the building every time you hear it. We had one a few months ago. Probably AI found that announcement in the chat history and assumed that it is related to today's alarm.

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            • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

              @betalars @daniel_bohrer @Matt_999 the 'siren test' AI referring to is exactly that. It's not a drill. The planned siren test may take several hours of occasional alarms, and it doesn't mean that you should leave the building every time you hear it. We had one a few months ago. Probably AI found that announcement in the chat history and assumed that it is related to today's alarm.

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              @tagir_valeev @betalars @Matt_999 yes, if it is really only a siren test, all office workers should know about it already in advance. If it's not, then usual emergency protocol applies.

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              • daniel_bohrer@chaos.socialD daniel_bohrer@chaos.social

                @tagir_valeev @betalars @Matt_999 yes, if it is really only a siren test, all office workers should know about it already in advance. If it's not, then usual emergency protocol applies.

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                @daniel_bohrer @tagir_valeev @betalars @Matt_999

                I do siren tests as part of my job (as well as setting the bells off for the 6 monthly fire drill), if its a bell test I always warn everyone in person (its a small office so not a big problem), any other time they should follow emergency evacuation procedure if the alarm sounds..

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                • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                  Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                  @tagir_valeev AI might. Being so stupid that they hear an alarm and start a thread about it instead of getting out certainly will.

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                  • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                    Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                    @tagir_valeev how would a conversational « agent » know about a real fire unless it’s somehow hooked up to sensors (in which case, you actually wouldn’t need any AI at all, anyway)…
                    People are way too ready to give up their thinking ability to chat bots that are fairly good at pretending to be human…

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                    • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                      @nd of course, the employee wrote this while already staying at the meeting point outside the building. I did not say that she wrote this before the evacuation.

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                      @tagir_valeev @nd But you did write the original post saying AI will kill us. There is no other reasonable inference with that context.

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                      • terrybtwo@ohai.socialT terrybtwo@ohai.social

                        @tagir_valeev @nd But you did write the original post saying AI will kill us. There is no other reasonable inference with that context.

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                        @TerryBTwo @nd I'm not saying it's killing already. It will be worse.

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                        • metacosm@mastodon.socialM metacosm@mastodon.social

                          @tagir_valeev how would a conversational « agent » know about a real fire unless it’s somehow hooked up to sensors (in which case, you actually wouldn’t need any AI at all, anyway)…
                          People are way too ready to give up their thinking ability to chat bots that are fairly good at pretending to be human…

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                          @metacosm nobody asked the AI input at all. It just was configured in the particular channel to answer automatically if it thinks it can help faster than fellow humans (sometimes people actually ask something which was asked before, so AI could be helpful). The configuration will be adjusted after this incident.

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                          • terrybtwo@ohai.socialT terrybtwo@ohai.social

                            @tagir_valeev AI might. Being so stupid that they hear an alarm and start a thread about it instead of getting out certainly will.

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                            @TerryBTwo there's no 'instead of' in my post. Please read carefully.

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                            • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                              Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                              @tagir_valeev
                              That's what it's for.
                              #OverPopulation

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                              • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                                Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                                @tagir_valeev LLM-cosplaying-as-AI has already killed a bunch of people.

                                It will keep killing.

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                                • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                                  Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                                  @tagir_valeev Has Glean been a well evidenced data driven positive impact on the business?

                                  If not, this would be a great opportunity to campaign to remove such tooling that which may not be providing the positive impact the business was intending

                                  I’ve found AI chatbots via Slack has not worked out worked out well for our teams

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                                  • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                                    Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                                    @tagir_valeev That happened Tuesday at my senior citizen program, and no AI was involved. I was the only person who left the building. I wrote an angry email and the office responded that they just wanted us to know where the fire exits were.

                                    Dear God people do not realize how FAST fire is.

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                                    • rail@snailedit.socialR rail@snailedit.social

                                      @tagir_valeev Has Glean been a well evidenced data driven positive impact on the business?

                                      If not, this would be a great opportunity to campaign to remove such tooling that which may not be providing the positive impact the business was intending

                                      I’ve found AI chatbots via Slack has not worked out worked out well for our teams

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                                      @rail sometimes, it's helpful when asked explicitly. Automatic answers are indeed annoying. But it looks like it's getting better, so we are still evaluating.

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                                      • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                                        @mhd reminds me of https://youtu.be/1EBfxjSFAxQ

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                                        @mhd @tagir_valeev I knew without the preview that this would be a link to the IT crowd episode xD Nice to know that I'm not the only one who still thinks of that! Fire! Exclamation mark!

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                                        • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                                          Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                                          @tagir_valeev @mathowie Decades ago, I read a story (I want to say on Slashdot?) about a baffling email sent to thousands of employees at a large corporation, that said, simply, “DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL.” Ultimately, it turned out that one of their buildings at one location had a false fire alarm, and some well-meaning person emailed everybody to inform them of that fact.

                                          In 2026, we have automated DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL, and it's wrong.

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