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"how to not regret c2s"w.on-t.work/activitypub/c2smy opinions about how activitypub c2s ought to be implemented, probably with way too much snark for anyone to take it seriously.

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  • kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.workK kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
    "how to not regret c2s"
    w.on-t.work/activitypub/c2s

    my opinions about how activitypub c2s ought to be implemented, probably with way too much snark for anyone to take it seriously. wrote pretty much all of it at like 1 am so expect the writing to not be great. will prolly regret it tomorrow but eh. whatever

    #activityPub #fediDevs
    hipsterelectron@circumstances.runH This user is from outside of this forum
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    hipsterelectron@circumstances.run
    wrote last edited by
    #7

    @kopper unfortunately not the point but this is easily the craziest css i've ever seen. bravo

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    • kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.workK kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
      "how to not regret c2s"
      w.on-t.work/activitypub/c2s

      my opinions about how activitypub c2s ought to be implemented, probably with way too much snark for anyone to take it seriously. wrote pretty much all of it at like 1 am so expect the writing to not be great. will prolly regret it tomorrow but eh. whatever

      #activityPub #fediDevs
      amy@sk.girlthi.ngA This user is from outside of this forum
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      amy@sk.girlthi.ng
      wrote last edited by
      #8

      @kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work 1am rants are always peak writing

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      • kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.workK kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
        "how to not regret c2s"
        w.on-t.work/activitypub/c2s

        my opinions about how activitypub c2s ought to be implemented, probably with way too much snark for anyone to take it seriously. wrote pretty much all of it at like 1 am so expect the writing to not be great. will prolly regret it tomorrow but eh. whatever

        #activityPub #fediDevs
        fiore@brain.worm.pinkF This user is from outside of this forum
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        fiore@brain.worm.pink
        wrote last edited by
        #9

        @kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work what does c2s mean in this context ?

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        • fiore@brain.worm.pinkF fiore@brain.worm.pink

          @kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work what does c2s mean in this context ?

          kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.workK This user is from outside of this forum
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          kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
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          #10
          @fiore activitypub client-to-server
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          • kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.workK kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
            "how to not regret c2s"
            w.on-t.work/activitypub/c2s

            my opinions about how activitypub c2s ought to be implemented, probably with way too much snark for anyone to take it seriously. wrote pretty much all of it at like 1 am so expect the writing to not be great. will prolly regret it tomorrow but eh. whatever

            #activityPub #fediDevs
            kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.workK This user is from outside of this forum
            kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.workK This user is from outside of this forum
            kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
            wrote last edited by
            #11
            also unrelated but i may as well throw this in here since i keep thinking about it but. doing c2s this way also opens your client up to being multi-protocol. say you want to be like wafrn and federate both via ap and atproto, you can then plug in PDSs the same way you plugged in AP C2S servers. your own client can then merge both into one

            this does lose a handful of the benefits some features mentioned would bring. you would need to store all the data yourself as you'll need your own common API format, you'd need to maintain your own login tokens, your backend would need to act as a proxy for writing to the PDS/C2S server which enables you to cut that off completely if you "go evil". i did touch upon these downsides on
            w.on-t.work/this-tall-to-interoperate

            or alternatively, you could have a "personal bridgy" which can be both a c2s client and an atproto client/appview and bridge the objects of an individual actor, irrelevant of which client is used to create them in either direction, but bridging like this isn't really interop because e.g. replies from the other network would not be visible without client support
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            • kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.workK kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
              also unrelated but i may as well throw this in here since i keep thinking about it but. doing c2s this way also opens your client up to being multi-protocol. say you want to be like wafrn and federate both via ap and atproto, you can then plug in PDSs the same way you plugged in AP C2S servers. your own client can then merge both into one

              this does lose a handful of the benefits some features mentioned would bring. you would need to store all the data yourself as you'll need your own common API format, you'd need to maintain your own login tokens, your backend would need to act as a proxy for writing to the PDS/C2S server which enables you to cut that off completely if you "go evil". i did touch upon these downsides on
              w.on-t.work/this-tall-to-interoperate

              or alternatively, you could have a "personal bridgy" which can be both a c2s client and an atproto client/appview and bridge the objects of an individual actor, irrelevant of which client is used to create them in either direction, but bridging like this isn't really interop because e.g. replies from the other network would not be visible without client support
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              kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
              wrote last edited by
              #12
              i guess you could make a frontend that talks both APIs natively and picks which one to use depending on how you log in, which would avoid the going evil bit, but that increases complexity on the user's device a fair bit (likely manageable though) and still requires you to proxy the content of the other network as trying to fetch it from the client will either rate-limit/be slow or cause auth failures (e.g. an atproto login trying to fetch AP objects)
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              • kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.workK kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
                i guess you could make a frontend that talks both APIs natively and picks which one to use depending on how you log in, which would avoid the going evil bit, but that increases complexity on the user's device a fair bit (likely manageable though) and still requires you to proxy the content of the other network as trying to fetch it from the client will either rate-limit/be slow or cause auth failures (e.g. an atproto login trying to fetch AP objects)
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                kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
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                #13
                now that i think about it, you would need actors and logins for both sides anyway if you're doing bridging, this is prolly not an issue
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                • kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.workK kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
                  now that i think about it, you would need actors and logins for both sides anyway if you're doing bridging, this is prolly not an issue
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                  kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
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                  #14
                  bad ideas:

                  xrpc/com.w3.activitystreams.proxyUrl?id=https://..
                  {
                      "endpoints": {
                          "xrpcProxyUrl": "https://..."
                      }
                  }
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                  • kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.workK kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
                    bad ideas:

                    xrpc/com.w3.activitystreams.proxyUrl?id=https://..
                    {
                        "endpoints": {
                            "xrpcProxyUrl": "https://..."
                        }
                    }
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                    jb@waf.moe
                    wrote last edited by
                    #15

                    a XRPC endpoint returning AS2-compatible data would be funny

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                      kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
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                      #16
                      @jb i should look this up do lexicons have any places they can have unrestricted json in or would it have to be a string or something
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                      • kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.workK kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work
                        @jb i should look this up do lexicons have any places they can have unrestricted json in or would it have to be a string or something
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                        jb@waf.moe
                        wrote last edited by
                        #17

                        lexicons do have unrestricted json, lexicon validation are there but its not required

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