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Bitcoin miners have entered the red as it now costs $88,000 to mint a $69,000 bitcoin

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  • R robsonde@mastodon.social

    @campuscodi I do wonder how much bitcoin is mined on someone else’s power.
    The classic model of hacking a server, install a bitcoin miner, get coin without paying for power.

    It might make bitcoin mining malware more attractive?

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    @Robsonde @campuscodi ASICs are so much more power-efficient than GPUs that very little mining is done on hacked computers. It still happens because it's pure profit, but it's only a tiny portion of the total network hashrate.

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    • pier@infosec.exchangeP pier@infosec.exchange

      @campuscodi Just wait until they realize that the inefficiently solved math problems are actually worth nothing at all!

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      @pier @campuscodi

      should've used boinc and gridcoin. you also dont earn money, but at least the solved tasks help real world problems

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      • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

        Bitcoin miners have entered the red as it now costs $88,000 to mint a $69,000 bitcoin

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        Bitcoin miners are losing $19,000 on every BTC produced as difficulty drops 7.8%

        The average production cost was sitting at $88,000 per bitcoin in mid-March, according to Checkonchain's difficulty regression model.

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        @campuscodi (Plays "You Suffer" by Napalm Death)

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        • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

          @campuscodi Out of curiosity, is this still the case? This article is about three weeks old… doesn't the Bitcoin hash difficulty adjust itself every two weeks? My understanding is the hash difficulty mechanism is *supposed* to serve as a check on mining going cash negative, so it's interesting if the mechanism fails. (Also, the BTC price itself has gone up a chunk since Mar 22.)

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          @mcc @campuscodi
          Yes difficulty got adjusted.
          Miners can have incentives to temporarily mine at a loss.
          If you have an (temporary) adversary that depends on immediate cash flow with their mining activities, you can drive their mining operations temporarily off, which gives you a higher share in the market, which you can use to reduce the selling pressure, making your own holdings more valuable.
          If this was the reason, idk, I'm just rambling.
          All I know is that in this shitcoin economy there are lots of (semi) hidden incentives. Looking forward to the day they can't gain new cash flowing into their scam.

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          • w_b@mastodon.worldW w_b@mastodon.world

            @campuscodi

            When is the whole scam going to shit the bed?

            #scam #shitcoin

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            @w_b @campuscodi
            Never. At least not all together. Profits through wash trading and money laundering are to strong of an incentive and shitcoins serve that market to well.

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            • R robsonde@mastodon.social

              @campuscodi I do wonder how much bitcoin is mined on someone else’s power.
              The classic model of hacking a server, install a bitcoin miner, get coin without paying for power.

              It might make bitcoin mining malware more attractive?

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              @Robsonde @campuscodi I don't think you'll get far with that approach today, the hashrate of any normal machine is minuscule compared to the dedicated hardware that professional miners use. Maybe if you have a whole botnet of hacked servers...

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              • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                Bitcoin miners have entered the red as it now costs $88,000 to mint a $69,000 bitcoin

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                Bitcoin miners are losing $19,000 on every BTC produced as difficulty drops 7.8%

                The average production cost was sitting at $88,000 per bitcoin in mid-March, according to Checkonchain's difficulty regression model.

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                (www.coindesk.com)

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                @campuscodi so many uninformed takes ITT.

                1) mining runs on specialised ASICs. memory/hdd shortages do not phase them.

                2) the plan was always that minting income would transition to transaction fees. that this is happening now was to be expected: too much energy is spent, because too many players compete. we all knew that.

                3) this correction drives down energy expenditure, and favors renewable energy infrastructure (one third is already hydro, better than world industry average)

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                • makja@mastodon.socialM makja@mastodon.social

                  @fabrice @campuscodi how does one make it up in volume when *every* coin loses 19k?

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                  @makja @fabrice @campuscodi that's the joke 😉

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                  • aceade@mastodon.ieA aceade@mastodon.ie

                    @campuscodi I seem to be getting a lot of mileage out of this picture of Joseph Ducreux as a reaction lately. I can't imagine why...

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                    @aceade
                    * stored for later use *

                    @campuscodi

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                    • rudy_paul200@mastodon.socialR rudy_paul200@mastodon.social

                      @aizuchi @campuscodi Now that is a history lesson I would actually pay attention to! 🤣 'The Flower That Ate The World.' It gives a whole new meaning to 'market crash.' If the ecology went with the economy, I guess we’d all be living in a very colorful wasteland right now!

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                      @rudy_paul200 @aizuchi I guess that tulip version is called "Triffid" 🤭

                      @campuscodi

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                      • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                        Bitcoin miners have entered the red as it now costs $88,000 to mint a $69,000 bitcoin

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                        Bitcoin miners are losing $19,000 on every BTC produced as difficulty drops 7.8%

                        The average production cost was sitting at $88,000 per bitcoin in mid-March, according to Checkonchain's difficulty regression model.

                        favicon

                        (www.coindesk.com)

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                        #66

                        @campuscodi Something something this is good for Bitcoin.

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                        • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                          Bitcoin miners have entered the red as it now costs $88,000 to mint a $69,000 bitcoin

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                          Bitcoin miners are losing $19,000 on every BTC produced as difficulty drops 7.8%

                          The average production cost was sitting at $88,000 per bitcoin in mid-March, according to Checkonchain's difficulty regression model.

                          favicon

                          (www.coindesk.com)

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                          @campuscodi I think this nicely shows that the estimated cost of mining a bitcoin is totally wrongly estimated. Nobody would let a machine run at a loss. They have no obligation to continue running it. Those who are currently running it are clearly able to produce a bitcoin for less than 69k.

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                          • tekhedd@byteheaven.netT tekhedd@byteheaven.net

                            @campuscodi As it turns out, 92% still a *very* good rate for money laundering.

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                            @tekhedd how would that even work? How can someone launder money by mining bitcoin?

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                            • bws@social.linux.pizzaB bws@social.linux.pizza

                              @makja @fabrice @campuscodi that's the joke 😉

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                              @bws @fabrice @campuscodi I just got *whooshed*

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                              • briankrebs@infosec.exchangeB briankrebs@infosec.exchange

                                @campuscodi as if a million souls just cried out for a new profession. no wait, a new use for their giant botnets.

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                                @briankrebs @campuscodi indeed, cost doesn't matter if someone else is paying 🤡

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