She’s hearing from people sick with the virus, as well as their caregivers, that “measles is so much worse than what they expected.”
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@JackMexa4 @bicmay They're doing the right thing by giving the testimonials, as long as they don't turn into a redemption narrative for preaching against vaccination until they were affected personally.
I know there was a website that featured stories from people who had vaccine-preventable diseases. I"ll have to track down.
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@thepoliticalcat @bicmay I’m in that weird cohort of GenX who didn’t catch measles, but also didn’t get the vaccine because it didn’t exist. By the time it existed, I was old enough that nobody brought it up until I got pregnant in my 30s. (Surprise, infertile one, thou hast sex on a solstice? Baby for you.) You can’t get the vaccine while pregnant, but thankfully her cohort was the “autism is caused by vaccines”, so up to that point, herd immunity kept me safe. While I was still in the hospital after birth, I got vaccinated , and then got shingles vaccine last year, because iirc it’s the same disease vector. (Everyone she grew up with was vaccinated, even my snake handler fundamentalist friends weren’t crazy enough not to vaccinate their kids.)
@MissConstrue
Shingles vaccine is a good idea if you are in the right age cohort. It has a good chance of preventing quite unpleasant attacks and protecting us from lasting damage (and from dementia. How cool is that?). However shingles is not caused by the measles virus but the chicken pox one. It rears its ugly head from its hiding place in our nerves. It's a nasty trick that herpes viruses have.
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@MissConstrue
Shingles vaccine is a good idea if you are in the right age cohort. It has a good chance of preventing quite unpleasant attacks and protecting us from lasting damage (and from dementia. How cool is that?). However shingles is not caused by the measles virus but the chicken pox one. It rears its ugly head from its hiding place in our nerves. It's a nasty trick that herpes viruses have.
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Yes, thanks for catching that detail!
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I know there was a website that featured stories from people who had vaccine-preventable diseases. I"ll have to track down.
@bicmay @david_megginson @JackMexa4 But then you have stories from COVID even of people who nearly died from COVID where they STILL say they wouldn't get vaccinated
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@RedRobyn @MissConstrue @thepoliticalcat
Yes, thanks for catching that detail!
@bicmay
I really did laugh (a dark humour laugh) when I found out about the measles virus' nasty trick. Years of listening to people saying immune systems get stronger through infection than the "unnatural" immunity of vaccines and going - hmmmm, I don't think it works that way. Only to find out that measles nasty trick is reproducing in the memory immune cells so by the end of a bout of measles pretty much the only ones you have left are the ones that target measles virus, and the rest of our marvellous immune library is severely depleted. -
@thepoliticalcat @bicmay I’m in that weird cohort of GenX who didn’t catch measles, but also didn’t get the vaccine because it didn’t exist. By the time it existed, I was old enough that nobody brought it up until I got pregnant in my 30s. (Surprise, infertile one, thou hast sex on a solstice? Baby for you.) You can’t get the vaccine while pregnant, but thankfully her cohort was the “autism is caused by vaccines”, so up to that point, herd immunity kept me safe. While I was still in the hospital after birth, I got vaccinated , and then got shingles vaccine last year, because iirc it’s the same disease vector. (Everyone she grew up with was vaccinated, even my snake handler fundamentalist friends weren’t crazy enough not to vaccinate their kids.)
@MissConstrue I, too, was born before the vaccine existed, but as soon as it was available, Mom threw us all in the car and rushed us in to get our shots! Shingles is actually connected to chicken pox, I think. I had chicken pox and got told to get the Shingrix vaccine when I got old enough.
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I really did laugh (a dark humour laugh) when I found out about the measles virus' nasty trick. Years of listening to people saying immune systems get stronger through infection than the "unnatural" immunity of vaccines and going - hmmmm, I don't think it works that way. Only to find out that measles nasty trick is reproducing in the memory immune cells so by the end of a bout of measles pretty much the only ones you have left are the ones that target measles virus, and the rest of our marvellous immune library is severely depleted.@RedRobyn @bicmay @MissConstrue Yes, it resets your immune system to zero, so that you are a sitting duck for every opportunistic infection that comes your way. All your hard-earned immunity gone in an instant.
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@MissConstrue I, too, was born before the vaccine existed, but as soon as it was available, Mom threw us all in the car and rushed us in to get our shots! Shingles is actually connected to chicken pox, I think. I had chicken pox and got told to get the Shingrix vaccine when I got old enough.
@thepoliticalcat @MissConstrue Yup. Same virus. The little bastard lives in nerve cells.
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@RedRobyn @bicmay @MissConstrue Yes, it resets your immune system to zero, so that you are a sitting duck for every opportunistic infection that comes your way. All your hard-earned immunity gone in an instant.
@thepoliticalcat
My understanding of why they went looking is that when they eliminated it in an area they expected the overall death rate to go down in line with what the measles death rate had been. Instead it went down more, and a reduction in other infections seemed the most likely explanation
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I'm glad you were able to get the measles vaccine as soon as you could! As a family doc, I also like preconception visits where I can review a patient's risk factors and let them know what they can do to have a safe outcome if they want to become pregnant.
@bicmay @MissConstrue @thepoliticalcat
I've said this before: my mom was born in '36 (90yo in April). She remembers classmates DYING of polio, whooping cough, and yes, measles. You can bet your bippie she got me (b. '64) Every. Single. Vaccine.
People have blinkers on & cannot admit HOW BAD these now-preventable diseases were just 2 generations ago! Almighty Google and *influencers* are better experts in their view.
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She’s hearing from people sick with the virus, as well as their caregivers, that “measles is so much worse than what they expected.”
“A number of them clearly said if they had known, they would have vaccinated themselves and their children against measles, but they didn’t realize how bad it was,” Nolen said.
Measles is 'worse than expected' in Utah, officials say
In southern Utah, a measles outbreak that’s been simmering since last summer is showing signs of wider spread.
NBC News (www.nbcnews.com)
#PublicHealth #measles #vaccines #immunizations #prevention #outbreak #utah #ChildrensHealth #PrimaryCare
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She’s hearing from people sick with the virus, as well as their caregivers, that “measles is so much worse than what they expected.”
“A number of them clearly said if they had known, they would have vaccinated themselves and their children against measles, but they didn’t realize how bad it was,” Nolen said.
Measles is 'worse than expected' in Utah, officials say
In southern Utah, a measles outbreak that’s been simmering since last summer is showing signs of wider spread.
NBC News (www.nbcnews.com)
#PublicHealth #measles #vaccines #immunizations #prevention #outbreak #utah #ChildrensHealth #PrimaryCare
@bicmay if the vaccine skeptics walked in an old cemetery maybe the presence of tombstones with children's names might cause them to question their beliefs. Infant mortality was high before vaccines
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@RedRobyn @bicmay @MissConstrue Yes, it resets your immune system to zero, so that you are a sitting duck for every opportunistic infection that comes your way. All your hard-earned immunity gone in an instant.
@thepoliticalcat @RedRobyn @bicmay @MissConstrue@mefi.social when I was a toddler I got Rubella. Three weeks later I got chickenpox. Measles are very dangerous and can definitely leave you vulnerable
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She’s hearing from people sick with the virus, as well as their caregivers, that “measles is so much worse than what they expected.”
“A number of them clearly said if they had known, they would have vaccinated themselves and their children against measles, but they didn’t realize how bad it was,” Nolen said.
Measles is 'worse than expected' in Utah, officials say
In southern Utah, a measles outbreak that’s been simmering since last summer is showing signs of wider spread.
NBC News (www.nbcnews.com)
#PublicHealth #measles #vaccines #immunizations #prevention #outbreak #utah #ChildrensHealth #PrimaryCare
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@bicmay @david_megginson @JackMexa4 But then you have stories from COVID even of people who nearly died from COVID where they STILL say they wouldn't get vaccinated
@JessTheUnstill @bicmay @david_megginson
Yup, you have those cases too.
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@thepoliticalcat @RedRobyn @bicmay @MissConstrue@mefi.social when I was a toddler I got Rubella. Three weeks later I got chickenpox. Measles are very dangerous and can definitely leave you vulnerable
@FaithinBones @RedRobyn @bicmay When I was growing up, those were called "childhood diseases," because so many kids did not survive them. A neighbor's kid had rubella, and my Mom was determined to keep us apart - she felt like one childhood disease was as much as my system could handle.
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@bicmay @MissConstrue @thepoliticalcat
I've said this before: my mom was born in '36 (90yo in April). She remembers classmates DYING of polio, whooping cough, and yes, measles. You can bet your bippie she got me (b. '64) Every. Single. Vaccine.
People have blinkers on & cannot admit HOW BAD these now-preventable diseases were just 2 generations ago! Almighty Google and *influencers* are better experts in their view.
meet #FAFO@PamelaBarroway @bicmay @MissConstrue I was born in the early 1950s, and we didn't have most of the vaccines we have nowadays. I had classmates who never came back to class bc they were in an iron lung for life after the last polio epidemic. Or had passed on. We had yearly epidemics of whooping cough, diphtheria, cholera, malaria, measles, mumps, and rubella (also known as German measles, back then). I was SO GRATEFUL when vaccines arrived!
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@FaithinBones @RedRobyn @bicmay When I was growing up, those were called "childhood diseases," because so many kids did not survive them. A neighbor's kid had rubella, and my Mom was determined to keep us apart - she felt like one childhood disease was as much as my system could handle.
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My impression was they were called "childhood diseases" mainly because they were so ubiquitous and infectious that almost everyone got them in childhood. My mother was a posthumous child - her father died of a contagious illness 6 months before she was born. She was understandably keen on vaccination. All of us kids were born before the MMR vaccine became available, though most of us could at some stage get the measles vaccine. Her point of view regarding measles mumps and rubella was that measles was to be avoided as long as possible, but that mumps and rubella were only a concern in early childhood. With no vaccine available you definitely wanted your kids with testicles to get mumps before they hit puberty and your kids with ovaries to get rubella before they became pregnant. I know a couple of deaf people who were gestated during the same rubella outbreak.
Thankfully the diseases with the worst reputations for killing and maiming kids - polio, diptheria and pertussis were pretty rare here by the time I was born
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My impression was they were called "childhood diseases" mainly because they were so ubiquitous and infectious that almost everyone got them in childhood. My mother was a posthumous child - her father died of a contagious illness 6 months before she was born. She was understandably keen on vaccination. All of us kids were born before the MMR vaccine became available, though most of us could at some stage get the measles vaccine. Her point of view regarding measles mumps and rubella was that measles was to be avoided as long as possible, but that mumps and rubella were only a concern in early childhood. With no vaccine available you definitely wanted your kids with testicles to get mumps before they hit puberty and your kids with ovaries to get rubella before they became pregnant. I know a couple of deaf people who were gestated during the same rubella outbreak.
Thankfully the diseases with the worst reputations for killing and maiming kids - polio, diptheria and pertussis were pretty rare here by the time I was born
@FaithinBones @bicmay@RedRobyn @thepoliticalcat @bicmay when the polio vaccine became available my parents made sure we got it. We took the vaccines because my mother's oldest brother died of polio as a toddler. Both of my father's grandmothers died in a scarlet fever epidemic so he believed vaccines were life savers. The antivaxxers are playing a sad game with their lives and the lives of their children.
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@RedRobyn @thepoliticalcat @bicmay when the polio vaccine became available my parents made sure we got it. We took the vaccines because my mother's oldest brother died of polio as a toddler. Both of my father's grandmothers died in a scarlet fever epidemic so he believed vaccines were life savers. The antivaxxers are playing a sad game with their lives and the lives of their children.
@FaithinBones
It's terrible isn't it? So many gruesome diseases we can prevent with so little risk, and yet here we are with polio on the rise, measles on the rise...
I hope it's not diptheria next- that one has a much higher death rate than polio. It appears in my kids family tree, as well as on a sad number of gravestones in cemeteries around the country
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