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  3. LLM access is relatively cheap now because the LLM vendors are discounting their price at a massive loss, subsidized by VC, in order to get you addicted and to drive as much skilled human labor as possible out of the workforce permanently.

LLM access is relatively cheap now because the LLM vendors are discounting their price at a massive loss, subsidized by VC, in order to get you addicted and to drive as much skilled human labor as possible out of the workforce permanently.

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  • doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.placeD doomed_daniel@mastodon.gamedev.place

    @williamoconnell @lapcatsoftware
    so what?
    they all make a loss, and eventually need to make money

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    @Doomed_Daniel Generally they aren't making a loss on inference currently, they're just spending so much more on training new models that they have a loss overall. But also some of the competition is from open source models, and the cost of inference for those is just the cost of compute, which goes down over time.

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    • lapcatsoftware@mastodon.socialL lapcatsoftware@mastodon.social

      LLM access is relatively cheap now because the LLM vendors are discounting their price at a massive loss, subsidized by VC, in order to get you addicted and to drive as much skilled human labor as possible out of the workforce permanently.

      The goal is monopolization, and if they’re successful, you’ll see monopolistic pricing in the future.

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      @lapcatsoftware Never forget the immense price we all pay for the destruction of climate and drinking water! If we use them or not, the data centers destroy our environment.

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      • lapcatsoftware@mastodon.socialL lapcatsoftware@mastodon.social

        LLM access is relatively cheap now because the LLM vendors are discounting their price at a massive loss, subsidized by VC, in order to get you addicted and to drive as much skilled human labor as possible out of the workforce permanently.

        The goal is monopolization, and if they’re successful, you’ll see monopolistic pricing in the future.

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        @lapcatsoftware the monopolisation of knowledge. There is a future where people are only as smart as the subscription they pay for.

        Big tech wants you to forget what you know and become reliant. Using your brain is a threat to their business plan.

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        • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

          @lapcatsoftware Never forget the immense price we all pay for the destruction of climate and drinking water! If we use them or not, the data centers destroy our environment.

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          @NatureMC @lapcatsoftware Yes. The data centers are accelerants. The billionaires and fossil fuel industry are racing to raise the temperature. They are inconsiderate. #noai, #nowaterfordatacenters

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          • lapcatsoftware@mastodon.socialL lapcatsoftware@mastodon.social

            LLM access is relatively cheap now because the LLM vendors are discounting their price at a massive loss, subsidized by VC, in order to get you addicted and to drive as much skilled human labor as possible out of the workforce permanently.

            The goal is monopolization, and if they’re successful, you’ll see monopolistic pricing in the future.

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            @lapcatsoftware@mastodon.social It's wild to me how many people ignore this; you're paying money to "do your job"? Things you could be doing without giving up control of your work output to a third party?

            And this is the cheapest it will
            ever be? That is a terrible investment.

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            • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

              @lapcatsoftware Never forget the immense price we all pay for the destruction of climate and drinking water! If we use them or not, the data centers destroy our environment.

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              @NatureMC @lapcatsoftware Even worse, they destroy the informed and educated populace on which any hope of meaningful democracy and liberation exists.

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              • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                @NatureMC @lapcatsoftware Even worse, they destroy the informed and educated populace on which any hope of meaningful democracy and liberation exists.

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                @dalias Indeed. I don't know which one is worse, climate change doesn't make a difference whom it kills (the super-rich will be protected some longer). And a worsening with more extremes and catastrophes can also kill democracies ...
                @lapcatsoftware

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                  @notyourfanboy @lapcatsoftware

                  The first one is free. The second is on me.

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                  • lapcatsoftware@mastodon.socialL lapcatsoftware@mastodon.social

                    LLM access is relatively cheap now because the LLM vendors are discounting their price at a massive loss, subsidized by VC, in order to get you addicted and to drive as much skilled human labor as possible out of the workforce permanently.

                    The goal is monopolization, and if they’re successful, you’ll see monopolistic pricing in the future.

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                    @lapcatsoftware when I use Google the first answer is always AI. So I then go down te other answers to see if it was correct.

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                    • john_loader@ohai.socialJ john_loader@ohai.social

                      @lapcatsoftware when I use Google the first answer is always AI. So I then go down te other answers to see if it was correct.

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                      @John_Loader @lapcatsoftware You can disable the AI and save energy emissions.

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                      • brianwdouglas@social.vivaldi.netB brianwdouglas@social.vivaldi.net

                        @lapcatsoftware the monopolisation of knowledge. There is a future where people are only as smart as the subscription they pay for.

                        Big tech wants you to forget what you know and become reliant. Using your brain is a threat to their business plan.

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                        @brianwdouglas @lapcatsoftware Sites like stackoverflow.com are already being starved of content, making AI more essential.

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                        • lapcatsoftware@mastodon.socialL lapcatsoftware@mastodon.social

                          LLM access is relatively cheap now because the LLM vendors are discounting their price at a massive loss, subsidized by VC, in order to get you addicted and to drive as much skilled human labor as possible out of the workforce permanently.

                          The goal is monopolization, and if they’re successful, you’ll see monopolistic pricing in the future.

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                          @lapcatsoftware Yeah, well, the "good" news is that plan won't work, because LLMs don't work.

                          Of course, we're all still going to have to pay the price of the grift, so that doesn't help any.

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                          • lapcatsoftware@mastodon.socialL lapcatsoftware@mastodon.social

                            LLM access is relatively cheap now because the LLM vendors are discounting their price at a massive loss, subsidized by VC, in order to get you addicted and to drive as much skilled human labor as possible out of the workforce permanently.

                            The goal is monopolization, and if they’re successful, you’ll see monopolistic pricing in the future.

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                            @lapcatsoftware #AI is #clankers 🤖 all the way down.

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                            • lapcatsoftware@mastodon.socialL lapcatsoftware@mastodon.social

                              LLM access is relatively cheap now because the LLM vendors are discounting their price at a massive loss, subsidized by VC, in order to get you addicted and to drive as much skilled human labor as possible out of the workforce permanently.

                              The goal is monopolization, and if they’re successful, you’ll see monopolistic pricing in the future.

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                              @lapcatsoftware this seems likely enough.

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                              • lapcatsoftware@mastodon.socialL lapcatsoftware@mastodon.social

                                LLM access is relatively cheap now because the LLM vendors are discounting their price at a massive loss, subsidized by VC, in order to get you addicted and to drive as much skilled human labor as possible out of the workforce permanently.

                                The goal is monopolization, and if they’re successful, you’ll see monopolistic pricing in the future.

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                                @lapcatsoftware I feel compelled to mention there are models you can self-host. There are even models where the architecture is available under a permissive license, so you can tweak / tune / retrain / distill or whatever beyond mere prompting.

                                I don't recommend or defend that approach. I think there are still problems, ethical and other.

                                But, it could be a way to prevent "vendor lock-in" with your LLM usage.

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