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  3. I went on Facebook (I know I know I know) and they are selling tinfoil hats.

I went on Facebook (I know I know I know) and they are selling tinfoil hats.

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  • adrake@sfba.socialA adrake@sfba.social

    @muddle @futurebird @oldclumsy_nowmad the FCC limit on 2.4GHz transmitters is 1W for sufficiently spread-spectrum devices (including WiFi). The maximum emissions in any particular direction are capped at a level equivalent to a 4W omnidirectional antenna (this equivalent measurement is called EIRP). Most wifi devices operate well below that level since it's rough on battery life.

    Microwave ovens are limited by FDA to leaking a max of 5mW/cm^2 from any point on the oven's surface (measured 2in away). That works out to be a little below the power density you get from a worst-case WiFi transmitter at 3 inches away.

    The 99.7 number is the claimed shielding performance of the hat, not any regulations.

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    @adrake @futurebird @oldclumsy_nowmad ah, I misread what you said about 99.7% initially. I didn't realise you were talking about the hat. So I guess I overestimated the effectiveness of the shielding and, hence, also overestimated the leakage

    I also did look up some more reputable info on max wireless tx power and was surprised to find that in some countries it can even go up to 4W (which tallies with what you said):

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    Taken together, wifi and ovens seem to be roughly comparable rather than there being the orders-of-magnitude differences that I expected (with ovens emitting more radiation).

    Thanks for the correction. I guess I'll have to retire my "but microwaves leak more energy" argument when dealing with (literal) tinfoil hatters...

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      I went on Facebook (I know I know I know) and they are selling tinfoil hats.

      The "Wavestopper" costs $88 Free Shipping!

      (I checked. It is not an April Fools joke. Selling to people with "brain fog" feels a little predatory to me.)

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      RE: https://sauropods.win/@futurebird/116342201450394205

      Now, I'm not in favor of spam / scam callers...

      But, I somehow feel less bad about the idea of someone selling snake oil brand snake oil clearly labeling the contents as snake oil (even if there are some outlandish claims) and letting fools and their money be parted?

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      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

        @oldclumsy_nowmad @Anke @muddle

        I'm interested in noise pollution and light pollution. Light pollution is horrible for insects. (and birds) Noise pollution is bad for people.

        We could have less loud, dark at night (but still safe) cities and towns.

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        @futurebird @oldclumsy_nowmad @Anke @muddle

        Light pollution is bad for plants as well. Let’s see if I can find that link.

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        Street light choice matters: impacts of presence and color on wild plants

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        • samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.spaceS samanthajanesmith@lgbtqia.space

          @burnitdown @futurebird Its also interesting that different parts of the body are affected differently by microwaves. One of the more vulnerable parts are the eyes. So don't watch the food cook...

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          @SamanthaJaneSmith @futurebird the shielding is there so you don't cook yourself at all. without it, you would need to stand dozens of metres away to operate the microwave.

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          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

            Do you think the people selling this are laughing at their customers or are they into it?

            It's like a damn joke.

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            @futurebird They're selling it for $88? If they're not laughing, they're seig heiling at trump rallies.

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            • M muddle@infosec.exchange

              @adrake @futurebird @oldclumsy_nowmad ah, I misread what you said about 99.7% initially. I didn't realise you were talking about the hat. So I guess I overestimated the effectiveness of the shielding and, hence, also overestimated the leakage

              I also did look up some more reputable info on max wireless tx power and was surprised to find that in some countries it can even go up to 4W (which tallies with what you said):

              Link Preview Image
              Maximum wifi transmission power per country

              favicon

              Wolph (w.wol.ph)

              Taken together, wifi and ovens seem to be roughly comparable rather than there being the orders-of-magnitude differences that I expected (with ovens emitting more radiation).

              Thanks for the correction. I guess I'll have to retire my "but microwaves leak more energy" argument when dealing with (literal) tinfoil hatters...

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              @muddle @futurebird @oldclumsy_nowmad I think it's not accidental that they're comparable. Both are expected to be used by the general population with no safety training, so both should have limits that are safe under most circumstances.

              Licensed users have different rules. Amateur radio operators are licensed to transmit at up to 1500W (!) on most of the 2.4GHz band, but they take on the legal burden of ensuring that whatever they do doesn't expose others to unsafe levels of emissions.

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              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                I went on Facebook (I know I know I know) and they are selling tinfoil hats.

                The "Wavestopper" costs $88 Free Shipping!

                (I checked. It is not an April Fools joke. Selling to people with "brain fog" feels a little predatory to me.)

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                #183

                @futurebird
                Sounds like a scam.
                Everyone knows that the microchips in Bill Gates' Covid vaccine are distributed through the whole body.
                How else would the birdpeople from Vega know exactly the moment I take off my socks?

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                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                  I went on Facebook (I know I know I know) and they are selling tinfoil hats.

                  The "Wavestopper" costs $88 Free Shipping!

                  (I checked. It is not an April Fools joke. Selling to people with "brain fog" feels a little predatory to me.)

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                  @futurebird When it reads "from your brain" it means to stop the WiFi and Bluetooth emissions coming from your brain?

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                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                    I went on Facebook (I know I know I know) and they are selling tinfoil hats.

                    The "Wavestopper" costs $88 Free Shipping!

                    (I checked. It is not an April Fools joke. Selling to people with "brain fog" feels a little predatory to me.)

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                    #185

                    @futurebird
                    That's... not the part of your head that you need to be covering to avoid brain fog
                    #MaskUp #WearAMask

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                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                      I went on Facebook (I know I know I know) and they are selling tinfoil hats.

                      The "Wavestopper" costs $88 Free Shipping!

                      (I checked. It is not an April Fools joke. Selling to people with "brain fog" feels a little predatory to me.)

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                      @futurebird @alice … have y’all seen the movie “Joe Vs the Volcano?”

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                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                        I went on Facebook (I know I know I know) and they are selling tinfoil hats.

                        The "Wavestopper" costs $88 Free Shipping!

                        (I checked. It is not an April Fools joke. Selling to people with "brain fog" feels a little predatory to me.)

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                        @futurebird The sheep will buy anything to stay relevant.

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                        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                          I went on Facebook (I know I know I know) and they are selling tinfoil hats.

                          The "Wavestopper" costs $88 Free Shipping!

                          (I checked. It is not an April Fools joke. Selling to people with "brain fog" feels a little predatory to me.)

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                          @futurebird
                          Well... alot of people did buy the pet rock decades ago.

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                          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                            I went on Facebook (I know I know I know) and they are selling tinfoil hats.

                            The "Wavestopper" costs $88 Free Shipping!

                            (I checked. It is not an April Fools joke. Selling to people with "brain fog" feels a little predatory to me.)

                            ellie@ellieayla.netE This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @futurebird I need a phone case made of this stuff.

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                            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                              I went on Facebook (I know I know I know) and they are selling tinfoil hats.

                              The "Wavestopper" costs $88 Free Shipping!

                              (I checked. It is not an April Fools joke. Selling to people with "brain fog" feels a little predatory to me.)

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                              #190

                              @futurebird

                              * kicks self for not coming up with this first

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                              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                I went on Facebook (I know I know I know) and they are selling tinfoil hats.

                                The "Wavestopper" costs $88 Free Shipping!

                                (I checked. It is not an April Fools joke. Selling to people with "brain fog" feels a little predatory to me.)

                                falcennial@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #191

                                @futurebird lol!

                                the fact somebody made a tinfoil hat look legitimately cool blows my mind.

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                                • falcennial@mastodon.socialF falcennial@mastodon.social

                                  @futurebird lol!

                                  the fact somebody made a tinfoil hat look legitimately cool blows my mind.

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                                  @falcennial

                                  They are all around us and we do not know.

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                                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                    I went on Facebook (I know I know I know) and they are selling tinfoil hats.

                                    The "Wavestopper" costs $88 Free Shipping!

                                    (I checked. It is not an April Fools joke. Selling to people with "brain fog" feels a little predatory to me.)

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                                    #193

                                    @futurebird Holly Cow ... they stole it from Eagle Tactical! 😉

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                                    • bmebenji@mstdn.socialB bmebenji@mstdn.social

                                      @futurebird @alice … have y’all seen the movie “Joe Vs the Volcano?”

                                      alice@lgbtqia.spaceA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @BmeBenji not in ages...

                                      @futurebird

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                                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                        @oldclumsy_nowmad @muddle

                                        There aren't any common waves that could hurt your brain.

                                        BUT

                                        If you want to know about something invisible, that most people don't know about that can impact your health in persistent mild but still bad ways? Look up "infrasound" --

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                                        @futurebird@sauropods.win @oldclumsy_nowmad@mastodon.social @muddle@infosec.exchange which is emitted a lot by data centers

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                                        • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                          @BmeBenji not in ages...

                                          @futurebird

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                                          @alice @futurebird Sorry, I meant to @ the people this ad is targeting. Joe only agrees to jump into a volcano because a billionaire pays his doctor to tell him he has a terminal “brain cloud”

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