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  3. Canon behavior from meta, tbh

Canon behavior from meta, tbh

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  • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

    I don't care of both of the numbers might be undercounts and all the double spending isn't unfurled on that site. Meta would always have shown up as "boondoggle" on the graph. The only thing it knows how to do is boondoggles.

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    Zuck, 2026 Q1 earnings call: "our plan is to make an AI that's really good at shopping"

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    • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

      Zuck, 2026 Q1 earnings call: "our plan is to make an AI that's really good at shopping"

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      @jonny Yeah, that will be really popular, because people really hate shopping. I'm sure that will bring in billions in revenue. (Not.)

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      • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

        Zuck, 2026 Q1 earnings call: "our plan is to make an AI that's really good at shopping"

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        Context there was contrasting meta's plans which it describes as making consumer AI that helps people with daily things, and for some people those daily things are curing disease, and for others its shopping. But the answer was in response to an investor asking about shopping because uh that's the thing that makes money. This strategy sorta makes sense given their consumer surfaces, but at the end of the line of reasoning where you plug the surge protector back into itself, you gotta wonder how many people are going to find renting a shopping bot from the ad company to shop in the ad company's store based on the ad companies ads a little cyclical.

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        • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

          Zuck, 2026 Q1 earnings call: "our plan is to make an AI that's really good at shopping"

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          @jonny

          The man who wants to stick himself between us and reality and everyone else..

          What a fucking pervert. Whatever relentless fucking pervert.

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          • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

            RE: https://mastodon.social/@MikeElgan/116628156172886406

            Canon behavior from meta, tbh

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            @jonny

            xAI manages to have a worse ratio than them although with less invested they have lost less.

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            • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

              Context there was contrasting meta's plans which it describes as making consumer AI that helps people with daily things, and for some people those daily things are curing disease, and for others its shopping. But the answer was in response to an investor asking about shopping because uh that's the thing that makes money. This strategy sorta makes sense given their consumer surfaces, but at the end of the line of reasoning where you plug the surge protector back into itself, you gotta wonder how many people are going to find renting a shopping bot from the ad company to shop in the ad company's store based on the ad companies ads a little cyclical.

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              "The last digital capital revolution was targeted ads. The next digital capital revolution is to rent a robot to look at the ads"

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                "The last digital capital revolution was targeted ads. The next digital capital revolution is to rent a robot to look at the ads"

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                So this was clear from the very start, that structurally the business model relies on making the web an incomprehensible mess to force chatbot usage as the only remaining viable source of information. But now that we're in the "agentic" swing of things, that language is just becoming more or less text in the ad copy: "get your agent to go out there in the wasteland of the former web and get you answers" (not mentioning who made the web into a wasteland)

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                • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                  Zuck, 2026 Q1 earnings call: "our plan is to make an AI that's really good at shopping"

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                  @jonny wonder how many rungs down the facebook ladder you'd have to go before you get to someone that actually ever shops and doesn't have their assistant/wife/nanny/housekeeper do it.

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                  • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                    So this was clear from the very start, that structurally the business model relies on making the web an incomprehensible mess to force chatbot usage as the only remaining viable source of information. But now that we're in the "agentic" swing of things, that language is just becoming more or less text in the ad copy: "get your agent to go out there in the wasteland of the former web and get you answers" (not mentioning who made the web into a wasteland)

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                    @jonny We need to make cloisters.

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                    • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                      So this was clear from the very start, that structurally the business model relies on making the web an incomprehensible mess to force chatbot usage as the only remaining viable source of information. But now that we're in the "agentic" swing of things, that language is just becoming more or less text in the ad copy: "get your agent to go out there in the wasteland of the former web and get you answers" (not mentioning who made the web into a wasteland)

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                      @jonny

                      Yep

                      eclexic (@theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.social)

                      @tante@tldr.nettime.org I am pretty sure their ideal world, and the ideal world of all these companies, is to have their chatbot intercede twice in _every_ communication. It should change your outputs to remove nuance from your meaning, and then expand it so the entropy goes too low for a person to stand reading it. So, others must summarise with a bot. A second chance to inject what they want. They want us to feel small if we don't use it to produce, and to feel overwhelmed if we don't use it to consume.

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                      • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                        "The last digital capital revolution was targeted ads. The next digital capital revolution is to rent a robot to look at the ads"

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                        @jonny you know why because sometimes the ads will tell you about a certain segment of the industry just like deskswap can tell you a lot about a company by what their screenshots look like #phone tracking #heatmaps

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                        • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                          So this was clear from the very start, that structurally the business model relies on making the web an incomprehensible mess to force chatbot usage as the only remaining viable source of information. But now that we're in the "agentic" swing of things, that language is just becoming more or less text in the ad copy: "get your agent to go out there in the wasteland of the former web and get you answers" (not mentioning who made the web into a wasteland)

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                          @jonny
                          Future ads will look like little noise PNGs, densly encoding information designed to confuse "agents".

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                          • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                            So this was clear from the very start, that structurally the business model relies on making the web an incomprehensible mess to force chatbot usage as the only remaining viable source of information. But now that we're in the "agentic" swing of things, that language is just becoming more or less text in the ad copy: "get your agent to go out there in the wasteland of the former web and get you answers" (not mentioning who made the web into a wasteland)

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                            @jonny Have they thought this through?

                            For example, what do the people making and selling things think about this? Handing over their lifeblood to a cartel of corporations that want them to pay to be in a market place, accessible to the corporation bots which answer queries from users who pay for the stuff with little agency over which stuff they get shown.

                            It's bonkers from everyone's perspective, and Zuck et al can't see this?

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                            • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                              So this was clear from the very start, that structurally the business model relies on making the web an incomprehensible mess to force chatbot usage as the only remaining viable source of information. But now that we're in the "agentic" swing of things, that language is just becoming more or less text in the ad copy: "get your agent to go out there in the wasteland of the former web and get you answers" (not mentioning who made the web into a wasteland)

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                              @jonny

                              If that happens, i might as well use Reticulum rather than something that left after Internet got sloppified and commertionalised

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                                So this was clear from the very start, that structurally the business model relies on making the web an incomprehensible mess to force chatbot usage as the only remaining viable source of information. But now that we're in the "agentic" swing of things, that language is just becoming more or less text in the ad copy: "get your agent to go out there in the wasteland of the former web and get you answers" (not mentioning who made the web into a wasteland)

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                                Love how all this is being subsidized by the federal government resulting in a negative effective tax rate for some of the largest companies on earth.

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                                  Zuck, 2026 Q1 earnings call: "our plan is to make an AI that's really good at shopping"

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                                  @jonny among all the other dumb bullshit in this wave the meta being completely unable to get anything together bit is one of the funniest. they dont even know how to sell hype of vague promises, its just him stumbling for words to say out loud

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                                    Love how all this is being subsidized by the federal government resulting in a negative effective tax rate for some of the largest companies on earth.

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                                    @jonny <incoherent screaming>

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                                    • jackperkins@post.lurk.orgJ jackperkins@post.lurk.org

                                      @jonny among all the other dumb bullshit in this wave the meta being completely unable to get anything together bit is one of the funniest. they dont even know how to sell hype of vague promises, its just him stumbling for words to say out loud

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                                      @jackperkins
                                      "There's openAI and anthropic, google is still in the race, and good lord what in the fuck is going on over there at meta"

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                                      • jonny@neuromatch.socialJ jonny@neuromatch.social

                                        Love how all this is being subsidized by the federal government resulting in a negative effective tax rate for some of the largest companies on earth.

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                                        @jonny

                                        Theft, kleptocracy, corruption. There are words for what’s happening.

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                                          @lykso @jonny You may also be interested in the webring protocol I built to realize some of this:

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                                          I agree with the desire for decentralization, but in all my noodling on this, maximal decentralization becomes vulnerable to abuse and inability to establish real trust.

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