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@chris I thought the exact opposite. I thought she timed it ahead of the leadership vote, to avoid it being interpreted as a reflection on whoever is elected as the leader of the NDP.
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I would suggest maximum distraction from the NDP leadership election. They do not want any hope springing in the breasts of progressive voters that a viable alternative is waiting in the wings as the CLPC keeps running further right.
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@chris I wonder if her values align with NDP values considering we're in a centre right version of LPC.
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@chris of course it is, hence her payoff will be all the greater.
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I would suggest maximum distraction from the NDP leadership election. They do not want any hope springing in the breasts of progressive voters that a viable alternative is waiting in the wings as the CLPC keeps running further right.
@Amgine @chris With respect, was the leadership campaign capturing attention and energy that I was not aware of? Enough to need a distraction away from it? Was the defecting MP high-profile enough to make a splash beyond "another floor-crosser?" And is the NDP actually presenting a viable progressive alternative right now? Is it hammering home ideas to move the domestic policy conversation in a more progressive direction? I honestly don't think the answer to any of those questions is "yes." And I know *why* the answer is "no" for most of them, but that doesn't change the fact that the party is in a very messy place. All that is to say, I don't think this timing is any more or less calculated than the others.
Look, I want the NDP to be the best version of itself and gain some real political power, but it's definitely not that now and unfortunately hasn't been for a long time.
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@chris I wonder if her values align with NDP values considering we're in a centre right version of LPC.
@cass_m Based on the reporting I've heard it sounds a lot like she switched based on local issues to Nunavut rather than broader national issues. Given it's a swing riding (held by all three parties in the last 20 years) and was very close last election she has a decent chance of holding the seat as a Liberal if she delivers benefits to the riding because of the switch.
So in the sense she's willing to compromise for the benefit of her constituents it might be said her values don't align with the general values of any national party. This would be in line with fact that neither Nunavut nor the Northwest Territories have political parties in their territorial governments.
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@cass_m Based on the reporting I've heard it sounds a lot like she switched based on local issues to Nunavut rather than broader national issues. Given it's a swing riding (held by all three parties in the last 20 years) and was very close last election she has a decent chance of holding the seat as a Liberal if she delivers benefits to the riding because of the switch.
So in the sense she's willing to compromise for the benefit of her constituents it might be said her values don't align with the general values of any national party. This would be in line with fact that neither Nunavut nor the Northwest Territories have political parties in their territorial governments.
@Chigaze thanks for the explanation!
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@Amgine @chris With respect, was the leadership campaign capturing attention and energy that I was not aware of? Enough to need a distraction away from it? Was the defecting MP high-profile enough to make a splash beyond "another floor-crosser?" And is the NDP actually presenting a viable progressive alternative right now? Is it hammering home ideas to move the domestic policy conversation in a more progressive direction? I honestly don't think the answer to any of those questions is "yes." And I know *why* the answer is "no" for most of them, but that doesn't change the fact that the party is in a very messy place. All that is to say, I don't think this timing is any more or less calculated than the others.
Look, I want the NDP to be the best version of itself and gain some real political power, but it's definitely not that now and unfortunately hasn't been for a long time.
Yes, it was.
Articles about the NDP leadership race were consistently higher in placement on various Canadian news sources than I expected, particularly in the "reader's viewed" algorithmic lists until about a week ago.
I think it reflects exactly what you suggest: Canadians are looking for an alternative, ANY alternative, to the current centre-right/far-right coalition in power now.
Which does not suggest energy. But does suggest potential.
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I would suggest maximum distraction from the NDP leadership election. They do not want any hope springing in the breasts of progressive voters that a viable alternative is waiting in the wings as the CLPC keeps running further right.
@Amgine also plausible!
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@chris I thought the exact opposite. I thought she timed it ahead of the leadership vote, to avoid it being interpreted as a reflection on whoever is elected as the leader of the NDP.
@HyL could be!
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@chris I wonder if her values align with NDP values considering we're in a centre right version of LPC.
@cass_m I suspect her reasoning is much more pragmatic. She can get things for her constituents by being part of government, particularly if they achieve a majority. I don’t fault her for doing that for her riding.
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@cass_m I suspect her reasoning is much more pragmatic. She can get things for her constituents by being part of government, particularly if they achieve a majority. I don’t fault her for doing that for her riding.
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@cass_m Based on the reporting I've heard it sounds a lot like she switched based on local issues to Nunavut rather than broader national issues. Given it's a swing riding (held by all three parties in the last 20 years) and was very close last election she has a decent chance of holding the seat as a Liberal if she delivers benefits to the riding because of the switch.
So in the sense she's willing to compromise for the benefit of her constituents it might be said her values don't align with the general values of any national party. This would be in line with fact that neither Nunavut nor the Northwest Territories have political parties in their territorial governments.
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I really don't think so. The main benefit to the Liberals is that this positions them for a majority after the 3 upcoming by-elections. Getting the majority via a floor crossing wouldn't go over well, so this avoids that problem.
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@stephanie @cass_m ya. That part I don’t like at all.
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