Cis people: normalize introducing yourself with your pronouns.
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@forse It is fascinating how you managed to neither understand reverend King nor me.
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Cis people: normalize introducing yourself with your pronouns.
If only trans and gnc people do it, we're outing ourselves. If we don't, we accept getting misgendered. And when cis people do it, it acclimates other cis people to the practice and makes it safer for trans and gnc people.
@theleftistlawyer As said below : Most people don't care. I don't care about your genre and i hope you don't care about mine. Specifying one own's genre seems to me completely unuseful. You're either a cool person or you're a jerk, that's all.
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@forse It is fascinating how you managed to neither understand reverend King nor me.
@zappes @forse
I don't think you can say people are intrinsically on the side of trans people if they refuse to even say their pronouns. If that's a line too far,,,
I think you mean people will feel policed for their language but the point here is to normalize something that isn't normal yet. I don't have to be offended if i tell you mine and you don't reciprocate, and anyone that gets mad i offered mine clearly won't be an ally.
"I'll support you as long as you don't ask me to DO anything" isn't very helpful when laws are criminalizing people's existence.Am i mischaracterizing your position here?
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@zappes @forse
I don't think you can say people are intrinsically on the side of trans people if they refuse to even say their pronouns. If that's a line too far,,,
I think you mean people will feel policed for their language but the point here is to normalize something that isn't normal yet. I don't have to be offended if i tell you mine and you don't reciprocate, and anyone that gets mad i offered mine clearly won't be an ally.
"I'll support you as long as you don't ask me to DO anything" isn't very helpful when laws are criminalizing people's existence.Am i mischaracterizing your position here?
@RnDanger @forse Yes, you are mischaracterising my position. I am perfectly fine with referring to you using whichever pronouns you prefer. This is a consequence of me finding gender utterly irrelevant while still respecting your choice of seeing that differently.
I draw the line when somebody expects me to care about this in any way. I don‘t. I will not introduce myself pretending that I care about that stuff.
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@RnDanger @forse Yes, you are mischaracterising my position. I am perfectly fine with referring to you using whichever pronouns you prefer. This is a consequence of me finding gender utterly irrelevant while still respecting your choice of seeing that differently.
I draw the line when somebody expects me to care about this in any way. I don‘t. I will not introduce myself pretending that I care about that stuff.
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@RnDanger @forse I agree. People may signal their opinions in different ways. I personally think that trans rights are very obviously human rights. Yet I do not think that I have to start giving a fuck about people‘s genders in order to not be part of the revolting group who does so in a revolting way.
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@theleftistlawyer @lisamelton The problem is that this request alienates a population that is intrinsically on your side: People who don‘t give a fuck. You can call me me he, she, it or wally, I simply don‘t care. Which is exactly why I generally feel a lot of sympathy towards people who challenge the status quo of caring about bullshit like that. But if you force me to take sides, I‘ll have a strong tendency towards not giving a shit.
@zappes what's the problem with «Hi, I'm <name>, any pronouns»
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Cis people: normalize introducing yourself with your pronouns.
If only trans and gnc people do it, we're outing ourselves. If we don't, we accept getting misgendered. And when cis people do it, it acclimates other cis people to the practice and makes it safer for trans and gnc people.
The romance is over for this take eww
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@forse It is fascinating how you managed to neither understand reverend King nor me.
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@RnDanger @forse Yes, you are mischaracterising my position. I am perfectly fine with referring to you using whichever pronouns you prefer. This is a consequence of me finding gender utterly irrelevant while still respecting your choice of seeing that differently.
I draw the line when somebody expects me to care about this in any way. I don‘t. I will not introduce myself pretending that I care about that stuff.
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@theleftistlawyer @lisamelton The problem is that this request alienates a population that is intrinsically on your side: People who don‘t give a fuck. You can call me me he, she, it or wally, I simply don‘t care. Which is exactly why I generally feel a lot of sympathy towards people who challenge the status quo of caring about bullshit like that. But if you force me to take sides, I‘ll have a strong tendency towards not giving a shit.
@zappes @theleftistlawyer @lisamelton Then that most likely means you weren’t an ally in the first place so there’s no need to worry about alienating you. Anything that forces you to deviate from the bigoted status quo would most likely piss you off. *No need to give any shits if you don’t like it since there’s nothing about any kind of change that isn’t cis het white male centric ever be able to accept.*
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@forse It is fascinating how you managed to neither understand reverend King nor me.
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@RnDanger @forse Yes, you are mischaracterising my position. I am perfectly fine with referring to you using whichever pronouns you prefer. This is a consequence of me finding gender utterly irrelevant while still respecting your choice of seeing that differently.
I draw the line when somebody expects me to care about this in any way. I don‘t. I will not introduce myself pretending that I care about that stuff.
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Cis people: normalize introducing yourself with your pronouns.
If only trans and gnc people do it, we're outing ourselves. If we don't, we accept getting misgendered. And when cis people do it, it acclimates other cis people to the practice and makes it safer for trans and gnc people.
@theleftistlawyer that's just superfluous. It's like every human saying that they're a human. Imagine if you introduced yourself as Hi, I'm [name], [he/she/it], a human. If someone mistook me as a girl I'd correct them and move on, the beard makes it hard tho.
At work we all put pronouns in our profiles, and that's perfect, removes any doubt, especially in online meetings.
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Cis people: normalize introducing yourself with your pronouns.
If only trans and gnc people do it, we're outing ourselves. If we don't, we accept getting misgendered. And when cis people do it, it acclimates other cis people to the practice and makes it safer for trans and gnc people.
@theleftistlawyer no thank you.
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@RnDanger @forse Yes, you are mischaracterising my position. I am perfectly fine with referring to you using whichever pronouns you prefer. This is a consequence of me finding gender utterly irrelevant while still respecting your choice of seeing that differently.
I draw the line when somebody expects me to care about this in any way. I don‘t. I will not introduce myself pretending that I care about that stuff.
@zappes@mastodon.online @RnDanger @forse You totally missed the point of the original post.
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Cis people: normalize introducing yourself with your pronouns.
If only trans and gnc people do it, we're outing ourselves. If we don't, we accept getting misgendered. And when cis people do it, it acclimates other cis people to the practice and makes it safer for trans and gnc people.
@theleftistlawyer our corpo stuffed pronouns into /everyone's display name/ in ldap, so they show up in email & chat & calendar.
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@zappes @forse @RnDanger If you don't care so much why do you feel the need to interject your opinion about it?? I'm injecting mine because you're an asshole and I get annoyed seeing idiots talking tough like they're someone.
Fuck all the way off please. Any pronouns you want to use during your inevitable insulting reply is fine.
