I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
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I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.Remember: the robot is not a person.
@drahardja Dave, please stop calling large language models "AI". AI does not currently exist. Calling large language models AI is part of the problem.
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I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.Remember: the robot is not a person.
@drahardja heh, I've been doing this at work a bit. The "amusing" result is it causes some folk to double down on the personification of their GenAI/LLM tools. Maybe they think they're being edgy, edgelord mentalities, maybe they just think they're trolling me... but I am no more than "amused": at how easily some people get suckered by the marketing psychology of the GenAI companies, and how it just makes them seem kinda stupid.
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I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.Remember: the robot is not a person.
@drahardja I try to avoid using language like that, but it's hard to when it's so ingrained in the conversation now. Especially if you are trying to compare it to a human to show how it is actually inferior.
We should avoid thinking of AI as people though.
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I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.Remember: the robot is not a person.
@drahardja
I couldn't agree more! That's why a dear colleague of mine and me tried to make this point in a different way, also looking at it from an educational perspective and what can seriously go wrong there:
"What #students need to understand about #AI:
Neither #chatbots nor #cars have a #personality "
https://doi.org/10.31234/osf.io/w6jvx_v1#education #K12 #k12education #ai #chatbots #personality #anthropomorphismus #preprint #research #car
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I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.Remember: the robot is not a person.
@drahardja While I agree with the premise, I do want to point out that we, humans, have a tendency to anthropomorphize anything.
I'll apologize to a potted plant if I knock it off the window sill... -
I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.Remember: the robot is not a person.
@drahardja seems very much like what actual people do:
People don't answer-they regurgitate plausible output that the educational system taught them was right.
I suppose that depends all on the quality of the person. A very robotic person, who believes everything they are taught is actually very close to the same quality of output we might expect from the AI.
So, if those are the people who are eliminated, maybe it's okay. They are just mediocre anyway, claiming common knowledge as expertise.
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I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.Remember: the robot is not a person.
Agree on that. I guess it's part of the human nature to use terms you know on things you hardly understand as non tech person.
I recall seeing some TV / Film stuff explaining computers back from 70/80s. I would almost put my hand in fire that they said stuff like, CPU is brain and RAM is memory
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I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.Remember: the robot is not a person.
@drahardja Regurgitate is an animal bodily function. AI doesn’t have a body. I think what I’m getting at is that there aren’t many appropriate words to describe how it works.
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@drahardja While I agree with the premise, I do want to point out that we, humans, have a tendency to anthropomorphize anything.
I'll apologize to a potted plant if I knock it off the window sill...@robin_wren @drahardja At least the plant is a living organism.
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I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.Remember: the robot is not a person.
@drahardja @talexb a client wants me to use the Claude tool, and one thing I am training myself to do is be consistent in my use of “the Claude tool” in any communication including commits. It is not a co-worker in any more meaningful sense than a magic 8 ball I decided to call Ian.
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I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.Remember: the robot is not a person.
@drahardja
I would properly use the output verb, which is expected for a computer program. Minsky did great damage to the whole research sector when he invented the AI allocution in his thesis. -
I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.Remember: the robot is not a person.
@drahardja
Also, using "AI" for LLMs is misleading. There's no I. -
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@drahardja @talexb a client wants me to use the Claude tool, and one thing I am training myself to do is be consistent in my use of “the Claude tool” in any communication including commits. It is not a co-worker in any more meaningful sense than a magic 8 ball I decided to call Ian.
@MikeStok @drahardja I keep coming back to the same there questions.
1. How do you know that the Claude code works?
2. How do you know it's safe?
3. What's the provenance of the code? -
I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.Remember: the robot is not a person.
ChatGPT, Claude, none of them "know" about the question you're asking or "know" the answer.
Photoshop doesn't "know" what's in the photo you're editing or the digital art you're creating by clicking a portion of the screen to select a tool, then clicking another portion to use it.
They are computer programs. They run instructions to process your input against the data the program is using and deliver output.
You type. You click. It does special math. You see things on-screen.
(@drahardja )
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I am asking people once again to stop describing #AI using human words and attributes.
AI doesn’t answer—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be right.
AI doesn’t hallucinate—it regurgitates plausible output that happens to be wrong.
AI doesn’t have agency—it regurgitates plausible output that is consumed by a computer program.
AI doesn’t think—it regurgitates plausible output that is fed back into itself to try again.
AI doesn’t create—it regurgitates a mixture of its training data.Remember: the robot is not a person.
@drahardja I think regurgitate is still too biological.
I prefer the sentence "AI interpolates swollen data. An interpolation function sometimes matches reality, sometimes not."
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ChatGPT, Claude, none of them "know" about the question you're asking or "know" the answer.
Photoshop doesn't "know" what's in the photo you're editing or the digital art you're creating by clicking a portion of the screen to select a tool, then clicking another portion to use it.
They are computer programs. They run instructions to process your input against the data the program is using and deliver output.
You type. You click. It does special math. You see things on-screen.
(@drahardja )
@drahardja Ha, actually, that may be a decent start to some new terms folks could try to popularize.
"I needed a cover letter, so I got one of the bots to crank out some special math."
"Ugh, I didn't want to code that bit, so I went to Claude to auto-generate it for me. Unfortunately, it gave me some 'special' math—the REALLY 'special' kind. Wasted twenty minutes sorting through the garbage it produced before just fucking doing it myself anyway."
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@robin_wren @drahardja At least the plant is a living organism.
@jairajdevadiga @drahardja I think you know what I meant, though.
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@drahardja seems very much like what actual people do:
People don't answer-they regurgitate plausible output that the educational system taught them was right.
I suppose that depends all on the quality of the person. A very robotic person, who believes everything they are taught is actually very close to the same quality of output we might expect from the AI.
So, if those are the people who are eliminated, maybe it's okay. They are just mediocre anyway, claiming common knowledge as expertise.
@dckim @drahardja
This reply shows that the next paragraph after dehumanization is elimination. -
@MikeStok @drahardja I keep coming back to the same there questions.
1. How do you know that the Claude code works?
2. How do you know it's safe?
3. What's the provenance of the code?In this case I have, as Baldrick might say, a cunning plan.
I have “inherited“ a Rails app with no tests which reflects the state of Rails 10+ years ago.
So I let the Claude tool extrude tests for all the endpoints (lots of reasonable examples in the training data, I hope) and make them pass.
As I don’t allow the Claude tool to do git commits, and I have a copy of the code inaccessible to the host the tool is running on for good measure, I can see the less than 20 lines of the core application the tool has interfered with and review them. My hunch is they are signals of bigger changes I need to make, and I hope I can quickly expunge the tool’s code from the non-test codebase quickly.
I wish I could say the tool’s code was worse than the application code, but that’s a beer chat!
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@dckim @drahardja
This reply shows that the next paragraph after dehumanization is elimination.@dontreportme @drahardja good point there. My proposed equivalency is only a brutal dehumanization. Well said.
