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Ha ha ha.... the disgrace that is HS2 just gets worse.

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  • chrismayla6@zirk.usC This user is from outside of this forum
    chrismayla6@zirk.usC This user is from outside of this forum
    chrismayla6@zirk.us
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    #1

    Ha ha ha.... the disgrace that is HS2 just gets worse.

    Now, to save money the Govt. has decided to reduce the top speed of trains on the new lines (thereby reducing the specifications of the system & making it cheaper to construct).

    Whatever might think of the original conception of High Speed Rail, this project has demonstrated the difficulty the UK in actually delivering infrastructure projects (and specifically railways).

    Just ludicrous

    #railways #HS2 #politics
    h/t FT

    F greenpete@sunny.gardenG timwardcam@c.imT mikestok@mstdn.caM mgleadow@mastodon.greenM 10 Replies Last reply
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    • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

      Ha ha ha.... the disgrace that is HS2 just gets worse.

      Now, to save money the Govt. has decided to reduce the top speed of trains on the new lines (thereby reducing the specifications of the system & making it cheaper to construct).

      Whatever might think of the original conception of High Speed Rail, this project has demonstrated the difficulty the UK in actually delivering infrastructure projects (and specifically railways).

      Just ludicrous

      #railways #HS2 #politics
      h/t FT

      F This user is from outside of this forum
      F This user is from outside of this forum
      frog67@tweesecake.social
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      #2

      @ChrisMayLA6 The average UK rail traveller doesn't know what real high speed is: at the moment the Eurostar is the fastest train in Britain as far as I know, and of course it only travels through a small part of England.

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      • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

        Ha ha ha.... the disgrace that is HS2 just gets worse.

        Now, to save money the Govt. has decided to reduce the top speed of trains on the new lines (thereby reducing the specifications of the system & making it cheaper to construct).

        Whatever might think of the original conception of High Speed Rail, this project has demonstrated the difficulty the UK in actually delivering infrastructure projects (and specifically railways).

        Just ludicrous

        #railways #HS2 #politics
        h/t FT

        greenpete@sunny.gardenG This user is from outside of this forum
        greenpete@sunny.gardenG This user is from outside of this forum
        greenpete@sunny.garden
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        #3

        @ChrisMayLA6 This is infuriating!
        All, the money, pollution, and land destroyed for something very few wanted, or will benefit from, and it's over budget, late, and now not even what it was supposed to be.
        Just disgusting! 🤬

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        • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

          Ha ha ha.... the disgrace that is HS2 just gets worse.

          Now, to save money the Govt. has decided to reduce the top speed of trains on the new lines (thereby reducing the specifications of the system & making it cheaper to construct).

          Whatever might think of the original conception of High Speed Rail, this project has demonstrated the difficulty the UK in actually delivering infrastructure projects (and specifically railways).

          Just ludicrous

          #railways #HS2 #politics
          h/t FT

          timwardcam@c.imT This user is from outside of this forum
          timwardcam@c.imT This user is from outside of this forum
          timwardcam@c.im
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          #4

          @ChrisMayLA6 Well, they've been telling us for a long time now that #HS2 is about capacity, not about shaving a couple of minutes off journey times. But they could avoid this sort of confusion by renaming it, I suppose.

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          • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

            Ha ha ha.... the disgrace that is HS2 just gets worse.

            Now, to save money the Govt. has decided to reduce the top speed of trains on the new lines (thereby reducing the specifications of the system & making it cheaper to construct).

            Whatever might think of the original conception of High Speed Rail, this project has demonstrated the difficulty the UK in actually delivering infrastructure projects (and specifically railways).

            Just ludicrous

            #railways #HS2 #politics
            h/t FT

            mikestok@mstdn.caM This user is from outside of this forum
            mikestok@mstdn.caM This user is from outside of this forum
            mikestok@mstdn.ca
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            @ChrisMayLA6 do they think the 2 in HS2 is because “high speed” is 2 x the speed of Stephenson’s Rocket?

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            • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

              Ha ha ha.... the disgrace that is HS2 just gets worse.

              Now, to save money the Govt. has decided to reduce the top speed of trains on the new lines (thereby reducing the specifications of the system & making it cheaper to construct).

              Whatever might think of the original conception of High Speed Rail, this project has demonstrated the difficulty the UK in actually delivering infrastructure projects (and specifically railways).

              Just ludicrous

              #railways #HS2 #politics
              h/t FT

              mgleadow@mastodon.greenM This user is from outside of this forum
              mgleadow@mastodon.greenM This user is from outside of this forum
              mgleadow@mastodon.green
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              #6

              @ChrisMayLA6 I just despair

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              • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                Ha ha ha.... the disgrace that is HS2 just gets worse.

                Now, to save money the Govt. has decided to reduce the top speed of trains on the new lines (thereby reducing the specifications of the system & making it cheaper to construct).

                Whatever might think of the original conception of High Speed Rail, this project has demonstrated the difficulty the UK in actually delivering infrastructure projects (and specifically railways).

                Just ludicrous

                #railways #HS2 #politics
                h/t FT

                robertklaschka@mastodon.onlineR This user is from outside of this forum
                robertklaschka@mastodon.onlineR This user is from outside of this forum
                robertklaschka@mastodon.online
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                #7

                @ChrisMayLA6 while I'm sure the higher speed is a flagship headline for the project, I had understood that the extra capacity was the important thing, so maybe we shouldn't be so worried about the ultimate speed.

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                • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                  Ha ha ha.... the disgrace that is HS2 just gets worse.

                  Now, to save money the Govt. has decided to reduce the top speed of trains on the new lines (thereby reducing the specifications of the system & making it cheaper to construct).

                  Whatever might think of the original conception of High Speed Rail, this project has demonstrated the difficulty the UK in actually delivering infrastructure projects (and specifically railways).

                  Just ludicrous

                  #railways #HS2 #politics
                  h/t FT

                  celeduc@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
                  celeduc@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
                  celeduc@mastodon.social
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                  @ChrisMayLA6 building a modern rail network takes practice and persistence, it can't work if it gets turned off and on again every two decades.

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                  • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                    Ha ha ha.... the disgrace that is HS2 just gets worse.

                    Now, to save money the Govt. has decided to reduce the top speed of trains on the new lines (thereby reducing the specifications of the system & making it cheaper to construct).

                    Whatever might think of the original conception of High Speed Rail, this project has demonstrated the difficulty the UK in actually delivering infrastructure projects (and specifically railways).

                    Just ludicrous

                    #railways #HS2 #politics
                    h/t FT

                    pa27@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
                    pa27@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
                    pa27@mastodon.social
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                    @ChrisMayLA6 You can't make this shite up...

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                    • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                      Ha ha ha.... the disgrace that is HS2 just gets worse.

                      Now, to save money the Govt. has decided to reduce the top speed of trains on the new lines (thereby reducing the specifications of the system & making it cheaper to construct).

                      Whatever might think of the original conception of High Speed Rail, this project has demonstrated the difficulty the UK in actually delivering infrastructure projects (and specifically railways).

                      Just ludicrous

                      #railways #HS2 #politics
                      h/t FT

                      terrybtwo@ohai.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                      terrybtwo@ohai.social
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                      #10

                      @ChrisMayLA6 My son-in-law was studying HS2 as part of his degree (he’s a Chartered Survey now) and the conclusion even then was that it was far from value for money. A big part of the problem is how it was sold on speed, not capacity. The latter is necessary. The former is a trivial gain even if everything is completed fully, but gaining it vastly increased the cost and time because of the routing decisions it forced to shave the time.

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                      • chrismayla6@zirk.usC chrismayla6@zirk.us

                        Ha ha ha.... the disgrace that is HS2 just gets worse.

                        Now, to save money the Govt. has decided to reduce the top speed of trains on the new lines (thereby reducing the specifications of the system & making it cheaper to construct).

                        Whatever might think of the original conception of High Speed Rail, this project has demonstrated the difficulty the UK in actually delivering infrastructure projects (and specifically railways).

                        Just ludicrous

                        #railways #HS2 #politics
                        h/t FT

                        rapsneezy@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
                        rapsneezy@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
                        rapsneezy@mastodon.social
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                        #11

                        @ChrisMayLA6

                        Q1. Who benefits from extending the timelines and inflating the in-programme costs?

                        Q2. Who is paid to stop that happening?

                        Is there an asymmetry there?

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