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  • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

    Do you know a young person?

    Ask them what famous people they've heard of from before 1950 and let me know.

    For example: Einstein? Marie Curie? Cleopatra? Donatello? da Vinci? Isaac Newton? Queen Victoria? Elizabeth I? Henry VIII? William Tell? Robin Hood?

    Ask them, and let me know ...

    (PS: Boosts would be welcome to get this outside my bubble ... TIA)

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    @ColinTheMathmo My 9-yo daughter immediately answered Beethowen (she's taking piano lessons).

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    • truenorthspice@mastodon.worldT truenorthspice@mastodon.world

      @ColinTheMathmo

      At first I thought it was a shocked cat- looking at it, that makes sense, right?!
      But my cursor happened to touch it and "weary cat" popped up---the same just now occurred when I went back and tried again.
      Something is "off kilter" in Fediverse...or my computer.....🤔

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      @TrueNorthSpice @ColinTheMathmo It’s just that “weary” has two meanings: “tired” and “being in a state of ‘WTF is *that*?!’”. The emoji is for the second meaning, but—as always happens—people started using it for the first too.

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      • dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyzD dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz

        @ColinTheMathmo
        > Are you one of today's 10 thousand?

        I don't know what that means.

        Edit: I guess it rings a bell; something about that there's *always* someone who doesn't know what you're talking about.

        Looking up Fonteyn, perhaps she was discussed less internationally after her retirement than the other 4 dancers you listed (I'm not including Joan of Arc because I don't recall where you stand on absurdist humor).

        > early start tomorrow.

        G'night!

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        @dougmerritt the "ten thousand" thingie is from xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1053/

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        • tpfto@mathstodon.xyzT tpfto@mathstodon.xyz

          @dougmerritt the "ten thousand" thingie is from xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1053/

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          @tpfto
          Ah! Yes, I'd forgotten that one; thanks.

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          • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

            Do you know a young person?

            Ask them what famous people they've heard of from before 1950 and let me know.

            For example: Einstein? Marie Curie? Cleopatra? Donatello? da Vinci? Isaac Newton? Queen Victoria? Elizabeth I? Henry VIII? William Tell? Robin Hood?

            Ask them, and let me know ...

            (PS: Boosts would be welcome to get this outside my bubble ... TIA)

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            @ColinTheMathmo Bill (12yo): "David Attenborough" (brief conversation about what you probably mean) "I know some world war two leaders: Churchill, Hitler, the Italian one... Mussolini? Probably all the kings and queens back to William the Conqueror." (I suggest science and music). "Marie Curie. Beethoven. Mozart." I'm sure he would go on for hours once he got going, he's watched/read a LOT of Horrible Histories.

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            • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

              @pigworker I'd be interested to see your list(s).

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              @ColinTheMathmo I'm trying to remember where in my archives I put this puzzle, currently to no avail.

              I can remember a few things on my list. It was basically Wikipedia bait. There was stuff like

              • Euclid shows how to compute greatest common divisor
              • Al-Khwarizmi shows how to solve quadratic equations by completing the square

              but also sneaky things like

              • Ada Lovelace writes programs for Babbage's Analytical Engine
              • Babbage's Analytical Engine gets constructed
              • Women in the UK get the right to vote

              I'm fairly sure I had

              • Alan Turing commits suicide
              • Lethal quantities of toxic gas are released from Union Carbide factory in Bhopal
              • King Charles I executed

              I definitely had

              • Potatoes arrive in Europe

              because I would routinely demonstrate Euclid's algorithm with two piles of salad potatoes, claiming the while that Euclid had actually used potatoes, and never once getting called on the anachronism.

              If I remember rightly, I served up a list of 25 things (selected from a slightly larger pool, but with some compulsories) in random order, each keyed by a letter of the alphabet, and I asked for the sequence of the key letters arranged in chronological order, with the one which hasn't happened yet at the end.

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              • pauamma@mstdn.socialP pauamma@mstdn.social

                @ColinTheMathmo @shapr Is that in years? Months? If years, I would qualify as young and I don't think you meant to include me, but 73.5 months (6 years and change) feels like limiting the sample too much.

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                @pauamma It was somewhat tongue-in-cheek ... there isn't really, and can't be, a hard cut-off. I know people in their early 20s who were therefore born in the naughties ... "young" is a completely subjective term.

                I was thinking of under 18, but really, anyone.

                CC: @shapr

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                • icecolbeveridge@mathstodon.xyzI icecolbeveridge@mathstodon.xyz

                  @ColinTheMathmo Bill (12yo): "David Attenborough" (brief conversation about what you probably mean) "I know some world war two leaders: Churchill, Hitler, the Italian one... Mussolini? Probably all the kings and queens back to William the Conqueror." (I suggest science and music). "Marie Curie. Beethoven. Mozart." I'm sure he would go on for hours once he got going, he's watched/read a LOT of Horrible Histories.

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                  @ColinTheMathmo Fred (11yo): (I asked for five or else he'd miss school): "Anne Frank, Charles Dickens, Jesus, John Snow, Ada Lovelace and Charles Babbage (it feels wrong to have one without the other.)"

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                    @Twotired Bit of both. It's hard for some to come up with names spontaneously, but prompting runs the risk of them vaguely thinking they may have heard the name.

                    I'm just interested to see what names come up ... it's not a challenge, it's data so I can mention names when I do talks and hope that a sizeable proportion of my audience will have a clue about who I'm referencing.

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                    • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

                      Do you know a young person?

                      Ask them what famous people they've heard of from before 1950 and let me know.

                      For example: Einstein? Marie Curie? Cleopatra? Donatello? da Vinci? Isaac Newton? Queen Victoria? Elizabeth I? Henry VIII? William Tell? Robin Hood?

                      Ask them, and let me know ...

                      (PS: Boosts would be welcome to get this outside my bubble ... TIA)

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                      @ColinTheMathmo asked a child

                      answer: ozzy osborne

                      *deep sigh*

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                      • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

                        Do you know a young person?

                        Ask them what famous people they've heard of from before 1950 and let me know.

                        For example: Einstein? Marie Curie? Cleopatra? Donatello? da Vinci? Isaac Newton? Queen Victoria? Elizabeth I? Henry VIII? William Tell? Robin Hood?

                        Ask them, and let me know ...

                        (PS: Boosts would be welcome to get this outside my bubble ... TIA)

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                        @ColinTheMathmo asked my 12 year old. He said George Washington and a lot of the presidents, Jesus, lots of Kings and Queens of England, Pharaos, Leonardo Davinci, Mona Lisa (probably a celebrity since she was painted) Queen Elizabeth who was an adult before 1950, not sure about celebrities, the scientist who discovered uranium, a guy who discovered a bunch of bugs in the 50s, Shakespeare.

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                        • avtpiavva@mastodon.socialA avtpiavva@mastodon.social

                          @ColinTheMathmo asked my 12 year old. He said George Washington and a lot of the presidents, Jesus, lots of Kings and Queens of England, Pharaos, Leonardo Davinci, Mona Lisa (probably a celebrity since she was painted) Queen Elizabeth who was an adult before 1950, not sure about celebrities, the scientist who discovered uranium, a guy who discovered a bunch of bugs in the 50s, Shakespeare.

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                          @avtpiavva Fabulous collection ... thank you!

                          And thank him!

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                          • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

                            @Scmbradley Has your six-year-old heard of *any* "old famous" people?

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                            @ColinTheMathmo @Scmbradley My 6-year-old son knows Albert Einstein and Jesus. I will keep you posted on developments.

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                              @ColinTheMathmo @Scmbradley My 6-year-old son knows Albert Einstein and Jesus. I will keep you posted on developments.

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                              @robinadams Super ... thank you!

                              CC: @Scmbradley

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                              • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

                                @robinadams Super ... thank you!

                                CC: @Scmbradley

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                                @ColinTheMathmo @Scmbradley Oh, and Dr Seuss and A A Milne

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                                  @ColinTheMathmo @Scmbradley Oh, and Dr Seuss and A A Milne

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                                  @robinadams

                                  👍

                                  CC: @Scmbradley

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                                  • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

                                    Do you know a young person?

                                    Ask them what famous people they've heard of from before 1950 and let me know.

                                    For example: Einstein? Marie Curie? Cleopatra? Donatello? da Vinci? Isaac Newton? Queen Victoria? Elizabeth I? Henry VIII? William Tell? Robin Hood?

                                    Ask them, and let me know ...

                                    (PS: Boosts would be welcome to get this outside my bubble ... TIA)

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                                    @ColinTheMathmo define young… my 9 year old could name every single one of those. Largely this is from being obsessed with watching Horrible Histories though!

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                                    • robjmills@indieweb.socialR robjmills@indieweb.social

                                      @ColinTheMathmo define young… my 9 year old could name every single one of those. Largely this is from being obsessed with watching Horrible Histories though!

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                                      @robjmills It would be interesting to know if they know who comes before whom.

                                      But the knowing of them is impressive ... HH has much to be proud of!

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                                      • wynke@mendeddrum.orgW wynke@mendeddrum.org

                                        @ColinTheMathmo I'll see if I can get a few names out of my teen tomorrow. (There are a few I know she knows though. At least two Dutch painters - Rembrandt and van Gogh.)

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                                        @ColinTheMathmo She was not very interested in the question. She did ask how old her grandparents are/were and if they count (the oldest of them was born in 1940 and none of them are particularly famous, so no). Then she turned back to the more pressing matter of getting ready for her three-day school trip, which I guess is fair.

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                                        • wynke@mendeddrum.orgW wynke@mendeddrum.org

                                          @ColinTheMathmo She was not very interested in the question. She did ask how old her grandparents are/were and if they count (the oldest of them was born in 1940 and none of them are particularly famous, so no). Then she turned back to the more pressing matter of getting ready for her three-day school trip, which I guess is fair.

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                                          @wynke Totally fair.

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