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Well isn't learning how to run your own CA a lot of fun?

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  • matthewcroughan@social.defenestrate.itM matthewcroughan@social.defenestrate.it
    How come you're bothering to do it?
    brunogirin@mastodon.me.ukB This user is from outside of this forum
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    @matthewcroughan @neil
    My question exactly. Why?

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    • greenskyoverme@ohai.socialG greenskyoverme@ohai.social

      @neil What is a CA?

      prsfalken@mastodon.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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      @GreenSkyOverMe @neil Something you usually don't selfhost and if you do ... Avoid to mess with

      XD

      (Certificate authority, if I'm not mistaken)

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      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

        Well isn't learning how to run your own CA a lot of fun?

        And by "fun", I mean "debugging".

        And by "a lot", I mean "a looooooooooot".

        I am making progress, today around SAN and Firefox, but this is a bit like plodding around in treacle.

        (I'm not looking for advice, although sympathy is welcome :))

        graves501@fosstodon.orgG This user is from outside of this forum
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        @neil Are you doing okay, Neil? Who has a gun pointing at you and telling you to run your own CA? Is it @babe again? 👀

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        • greenskyoverme@ohai.socialG greenskyoverme@ohai.social

          @neil What is a CA?

          neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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          @GreenSkyOverMe Certificate Authority

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          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

            Well isn't learning how to run your own CA a lot of fun?

            And by "fun", I mean "debugging".

            And by "a lot", I mean "a looooooooooot".

            I am making progress, today around SAN and Firefox, but this is a bit like plodding around in treacle.

            (I'm not looking for advice, although sympathy is welcome :))

            seabass@social.seabass.systemsS This user is from outside of this forum
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            #11

            @neil I look forward to the blog post for this one! Sounds like a more challenging project than usual.

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            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

              Well isn't learning how to run your own CA a lot of fun?

              And by "fun", I mean "debugging".

              And by "a lot", I mean "a looooooooooot".

              I am making progress, today around SAN and Firefox, but this is a bit like plodding around in treacle.

              (I'm not looking for advice, although sympathy is welcome :))

              justine@snac.smithies.me.ukJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              #12
              Sending my deepest sympathies to you at these trying times. But letting you know that things will get better.
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              • matthewcroughan@social.defenestrate.itM matthewcroughan@social.defenestrate.it
                How come you're bothering to do it?
                neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
                neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                #13

                @matthewcroughan

                There are some services that I run where I would like TLS, would prefer not to expose them to the Internet, am not keen on moving around Let's Encrypt cert, and would prefer them to be trusted certificates rather than self-signed certificates, to work better on mobile devices.

                Also, a fun learning exercise.

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                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                  @GreenSkyOverMe Certificate Authority

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                  @neil thx

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                  • prsfalken@mastodon.socialP prsfalken@mastodon.social

                    @GreenSkyOverMe @neil Something you usually don't selfhost and if you do ... Avoid to mess with

                    XD

                    (Certificate authority, if I'm not mistaken)

                    greenskyoverme@ohai.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @prsfalken thx

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                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                      Well isn't learning how to run your own CA a lot of fun?

                      And by "fun", I mean "debugging".

                      And by "a lot", I mean "a looooooooooot".

                      I am making progress, today around SAN and Firefox, but this is a bit like plodding around in treacle.

                      (I'm not looking for advice, although sympathy is welcome :))

                      colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #16

                      @neil Two things:

                      (a) What's a "CA" in this context?

                      (b) *Sympathy*

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                      • colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyzC colinthemathmo@mathstodon.xyz

                        @neil Two things:

                        (a) What's a "CA" in this context?

                        (b) *Sympathy*

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                        #17

                        @ColinTheMathmo Certificate Authority

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                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                          Well isn't learning how to run your own CA a lot of fun?

                          And by "fun", I mean "debugging".

                          And by "a lot", I mean "a looooooooooot".

                          I am making progress, today around SAN and Firefox, but this is a bit like plodding around in treacle.

                          (I'm not looking for advice, although sympathy is welcome :))

                          bencurthoys@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @neil The best part about debugging anything to do with certificates or encryption or security is that any useful debugging information is a security leak... so you don't get any. Either it works, or it doesn't work and it refuses to tell you why.

                          Sometimes it's mathematically impossible for it to tell you why. Once I lost more than a day working out why, when I hashed a string, I got a different hash value than was expected, when my hash function returned the same expected value on test data.

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                          • bencurthoys@mastodon.socialB bencurthoys@mastodon.social

                            @neil The best part about debugging anything to do with certificates or encryption or security is that any useful debugging information is a security leak... so you don't get any. Either it works, or it doesn't work and it refuses to tell you why.

                            Sometimes it's mathematically impossible for it to tell you why. Once I lost more than a day working out why, when I hashed a string, I got a different hash value than was expected, when my hash function returned the same expected value on test data.

                            bencurthoys@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @neil The answer, it turns out, is that the string was being built from a GUID, and their platform serialised the GUID with lowercase hex and mine with uppercase hex, and your eye doesn't notice the case of the letters when looking at hex values, so I couldn't see that they were different.

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                            • bencurthoys@mastodon.socialB bencurthoys@mastodon.social

                              @neil The answer, it turns out, is that the string was being built from a GUID, and their platform serialised the GUID with lowercase hex and mine with uppercase hex, and your eye doesn't notice the case of the letters when looking at hex values, so I couldn't see that they were different.

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                              @neil So. Sympathy.

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                              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                Well isn't learning how to run your own CA a lot of fun?

                                And by "fun", I mean "debugging".

                                And by "a lot", I mean "a looooooooooot".

                                I am making progress, today around SAN and Firefox, but this is a bit like plodding around in treacle.

                                (I'm not looking for advice, although sympathy is welcome :))

                                neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk
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                                #21

                                You can expect a riveting blogpost in due course.

                                And by "riveting", I mean "utterly tedious and unnecessary unless you, too, have the misfortune to want to run your own certificate authority".

                                gary_alderson@infosec.exchangeG hannes@social.coopH brunogirin@mastodon.me.ukB 3 Replies Last reply
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                                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                  You can expect a riveting blogpost in due course.

                                  And by "riveting", I mean "utterly tedious and unnecessary unless you, too, have the misfortune to want to run your own certificate authority".

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                                  @neil i have it pinned in my calendar

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                                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                    Well isn't learning how to run your own CA a lot of fun?

                                    And by "fun", I mean "debugging".

                                    And by "a lot", I mean "a looooooooooot".

                                    I am making progress, today around SAN and Firefox, but this is a bit like plodding around in treacle.

                                    (I'm not looking for advice, although sympathy is welcome :))

                                    kate@social.treehouse.systemsK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @neil been there, done that. there are more fun things in life.

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                                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                      You can expect a riveting blogpost in due course.

                                      And by "riveting", I mean "utterly tedious and unnecessary unless you, too, have the misfortune to want to run your own certificate authority".

                                      hannes@social.coopH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @neil are you using openssl command line or some scripts/tooling on top of it?

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                                      • hannes@social.coopH hannes@social.coop

                                        @neil are you using openssl command line or some scripts/tooling on top of it?

                                        neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @hannes openssl

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                                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                          You can expect a riveting blogpost in due course.

                                          And by "riveting", I mean "utterly tedious and unnecessary unless you, too, have the misfortune to want to run your own certificate authority".

                                          brunogirin@mastodon.me.ukB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @neil I am so looking forward to it!

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