Just so we’re 1000% clear: no state or local government should be giving financial incentives to build a data center.
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Just so we’re 1000% clear: no state or local government should be giving financial incentives to build a data center. If anything, it should come with increased taxation—because wherever they go, they gobble up water and energy. They should be paying locals for the privilege of being tolerated.
@erosalie These companies are selling their product as a major inevitable and crucial transformation. If theses things are true, then they can afford to be taxed.
However - I do wish we used some term other than "Data Center", as it would be "Building a data center" for me to renovate a building to run local company websites out of.
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Just so we’re 1000% clear: no state or local government should be giving financial incentives to build a data center. If anything, it should come with increased taxation—because wherever they go, they gobble up water and energy. They should be paying locals for the privilege of being tolerated.
@erosalie I followed you on the basis of this brilliant post.
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Just so we’re 1000% clear: no state or local government should be giving financial incentives to build a data center. If anything, it should come with increased taxation—because wherever they go, they gobble up water and energy. They should be paying locals for the privilege of being tolerated.
How do you "pay the locals" for vanishing their local aquifer?
Practically speaking, both energy and water are limited resources--resources which, *prior* to this "AI" boom, were both already under massive pressure.
Does the cost/benefit to society as a whole pencil out for the massive additional load Generative/LLM mega-data centers add to resource demand/comsumption?
A: No. It does not.
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Just so we’re 1000% clear: no state or local government should be giving financial incentives to build a data center. If anything, it should come with increased taxation—because wherever they go, they gobble up water and energy. They should be paying locals for the privilege of being tolerated.
@erosalie Not to mention the health issues associated with living near one, especially if that data centre is using gas turbines, like a depressing amount are.
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Just so we’re 1000% clear: no state or local government should be giving financial incentives to build a data center. If anything, it should come with increased taxation—because wherever they go, they gobble up water and energy. They should be paying locals for the privilege of being tolerated.
Grok under fire after complaints it undressed minors in photos
Elon Musk's Grok on Friday said it was scrambling to fix flaws in the artificial intelligence tool after users claimed it turned pictures of children or women into erotic images.
France 24 (www.france24.com)
Elon Musk’s Pornography Machine
On X, sexual harassment and perhaps even child abuse are the latest memes.
The Atlantic (www.theatlantic.com)
xAI silent after Grok sexualized images of kids; dril mocks Grok’s “apology”
xAI may be liable for Grok generating AI CSAM.
Ars Technica (arstechnica.com)
Imagine this scenario...
As fossil fuel supply becomes increasingly squeezed by the Trump's WW3 against Iran...
... the last of the available diesel & gas is fed to generators running Elon Musk's xAI data centers, so some MAGA creep can make AI porn of children.
Elon Musk’s xAI datacenter generating extra electricity illegally, regulator rules
Win for Memphis activists who say ‘Colossus’ facilities add extra pollution to already overburdened communities
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
Elon Musk powers new 'World's Fastest AI Data Center" with gargantuan portable power generators to sidestep electricity supply constraints
Getting power permits is now the biggest issue with data centers, as local power supply infrastructure is strapped.
Tom's Hardware (www.tomshardware.com)
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Just so we’re 1000% clear: no state or local government should be giving financial incentives to build a data center. If anything, it should come with increased taxation—because wherever they go, they gobble up water and energy. They should be paying locals for the privilege of being tolerated.
@erosalie yeah. And the locals everywhere should keep (sometimes successfully) fighting them, as I've seen, even near here, in Tucson.
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Just so we’re 1000% clear: no state or local government should be giving financial incentives to build a data center. If anything, it should come with increased taxation—because wherever they go, they gobble up water and energy. They should be paying locals for the privilege of being tolerated.
@erosalie well, they started on giving incentives for things that took way more water, and outputs way more pollution with animal farming, and with that, no locals seemed to care.
https://bryantresearch.co.uk/insight-items/comparing-water-footprint-ai/So it's just one more thing to destroy the environment.
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Just so we’re 1000% clear: no state or local government should be giving financial incentives to build a data center. If anything, it should come with increased taxation—because wherever they go, they gobble up water and energy. They should be paying locals for the privilege of being tolerated.
@erosalie In our fight here in the datacenter capital of NoVA, I spoke out at a meeting about the noise issues.
"A hospital makes noise at all hours, but if you live next to one...you live next door to a hospital.
A grocery store makes noise...but you can walk to get food.
The VRE (commuter rail) makes a LOT of noise, but you have good access to mass transit.
A bar/restaurant makes noise...but you live next to walkable culture.
A data center makes noise.....and gives us NOTHING literally any other business would provide.
Trade offs are made for better society. Data centers offer nothing unique in that transaction."
And certainly nothing worth the tradeoff.
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Just so we’re 1000% clear: no state or local government should be giving financial incentives to build a data center. If anything, it should come with increased taxation—because wherever they go, they gobble up water and energy. They should be paying locals for the privilege of being tolerated.
Agree!
Theses seem to be pushed on the basis of "job creation" but Data Centers don't have many employees
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Just so we’re 1000% clear: no state or local government should be giving financial incentives to build a data center. If anything, it should come with increased taxation—because wherever they go, they gobble up water and energy. They should be paying locals for the privilege of being tolerated.
@erosalie AI -
Being put under surveillance and control by the robots of our billionaire overlords - and all it costs is our air and our water and the survival of our planet. -
Just so we’re 1000% clear: no state or local government should be giving financial incentives to build a data center. If anything, it should come with increased taxation—because wherever they go, they gobble up water and energy. They should be paying locals for the privilege of being tolerated.
@erosalie theyre worse than garbage dumps
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Just so we’re 1000% clear: no state or local government should be giving financial incentives to build a data center. If anything, it should come with increased taxation—because wherever they go, they gobble up water and energy. They should be paying locals for the privilege of being tolerated.
@erosalie The locals actually pay for both the clean water and the electricity in their taxes. The government ends up paying for the data center using your money. The data center should be using its profits to clean the water and fund electrical infrastructure but nobody gives a shit and instead the narrative is to burn more fossil fuels and pay for cleaner water using your taxes.
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@erosalie In our fight here in the datacenter capital of NoVA, I spoke out at a meeting about the noise issues.
"A hospital makes noise at all hours, but if you live next to one...you live next door to a hospital.
A grocery store makes noise...but you can walk to get food.
The VRE (commuter rail) makes a LOT of noise, but you have good access to mass transit.
A bar/restaurant makes noise...but you live next to walkable culture.
A data center makes noise.....and gives us NOTHING literally any other business would provide.
Trade offs are made for better society. Data centers offer nothing unique in that transaction."
And certainly nothing worth the tradeoff.
@Jesticulated @pixelpusher220 That is definitely an interesting way of looking at it.
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