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Would you be surprised to find out that the facebook "smart" glasses have been outsourcing the video for review and processing to Nairobi?

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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

    I can't help but think about how this tech might be used in better ways. What if instead of secretly sending the video off so that some person making next to nothing can identify the milk carton in the fridge or your brand of underwear...

    What about a pair of glasses that were paired that would let you show someone how to do a task by projecting a wire-frame of your body in the same orientation as yours over theirs?

    All while talking to each other?

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    @futurebird As a visual learner, this would be fabulous. And think of all the kids with similar minds who would be able to learn how to do sports (and other stuff, but that's my weakness) much more easily.

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    • secretsloth@mastodon.artS secretsloth@mastodon.art

      @futurebird yeah I absolutely agree and it makes me never want to leave the house because I hate it the idea of being secretly recorded. Like I understand big tech wanting to create a surveillance state because they're awful? But having been stalked, the idea makes me literally queasy. It could divulge my exact location to my stalker in real time at any point without my knowledge, something I have been very careful to avoid (I don't post my face ANYWHERE and haven't for close to 20 years).

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      @secretsloth

      That sounds incredibly stressful.

      The only thing I find any comfort in is this news that they need people to review the footage to make the damn things work proves that their scanning and searching and identification software isn't nearly as god-like as they want us to think it to be.

      Processing video remains rather hard, expensive, but we act like it's a solved problem.

      It's not.

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      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

        @secretsloth

        That sounds incredibly stressful.

        The only thing I find any comfort in is this news that they need people to review the footage to make the damn things work proves that their scanning and searching and identification software isn't nearly as god-like as they want us to think it to be.

        Processing video remains rather hard, expensive, but we act like it's a solved problem.

        It's not.

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        @futurebird yeah. I am a bit comforted by the fact that my old photos are yknow 20 years old. Mostly it's newer situations and others that I'm concerned for, all of this rushing of stuff made by *white men* that is not being vetted for safety and quickly proves dangerous for nonwhite folks, exes in general, gender nonconforming folks, women, basically anyone who has made an entitled person mad, too many groups to count. It's foreseeable. And keeps not being stopped. Or even delayed.

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          @secretsloth

          Why don't ya'll ever want to invent anything useful or exciting?

          It's just facial recognition for the secret police, sex spy cams, random people looking at your underwear, creepy stuff and never someone showing you how to do a knit and purl correctly, never making going up the stairs easier for people with limited vision, never a damn good idea. I'm doing this again:

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          Attached: 1 image I need a name for this moment, this emotion. Christina: "Hey, Brent I was triple charged for my subscription, can you help me?" Brent: "Hi, Christina, I'm Brent, how can I help you today." It's all those little moments were you think "no, this is bad. This is not more efficient, this is not high tech. This is just bad."

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          @futurebird @secretsloth

          Nausea from Regressive Progress

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          • i_give_u_worms@beige.partyI i_give_u_worms@beige.party

            @futurebird @secretsloth

            Nausea from Regressive Progress

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            @futurebird @secretsloth

            I feel like what's going on here is they hate paying and training employees so much they are willing to abuse the customer

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            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

              @secretsloth

              Why don't ya'll ever want to invent anything useful or exciting?

              It's just facial recognition for the secret police, sex spy cams, random people looking at your underwear, creepy stuff and never someone showing you how to do a knit and purl correctly, never making going up the stairs easier for people with limited vision, never a damn good idea. I'm doing this again:

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              Attached: 1 image I need a name for this moment, this emotion. Christina: "Hey, Brent I was triple charged for my subscription, can you help me?" Brent: "Hi, Christina, I'm Brent, how can I help you today." It's all those little moments were you think "no, this is bad. This is not more efficient, this is not high tech. This is just bad."

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              @futurebird @secretsloth

              SOOOOOO much this.
              I think it’s part patriarchy tech bro capitalism culture eliminating creative voices that aren’t seeking profit over the actual product and idea, and consumer happiness.
              They don’t care about the end result at all.

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              • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                @5ciFiGirl @somafm

                Not so funny anymore. More like something you'd say to your date on the bus as a sober warning.

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                @futurebird
                I wonder why “glassholes” got laughed out of the house a couple years ago but not this new crop? Metahole just doesn’t have a ring to it.

                @5ciFiGirl @somafm

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                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                  @secretsloth

                  The glasses could be the same color and have other indications how they are linked. So it's obvious that when you have them on the person helping you could see what you see and talk you through it while showing you exactly how it's done.

                  It could be a really useful teaching and assistive technology.

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                  @futurebird @secretsloth when AR started being a thing I thought “oh wow, airplane engine repair people could get an entire HUD for part status, last replacement time, and schematics when they look at a thing” and while it turned out that was wildly ambitious for the tech at the time, no one seems to even be trying to do things like that because surveillance, games, and porn make more money.

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                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                    Would you be surprised to find out that the facebook "smart" glasses have been outsourcing the video for review and processing to Nairobi?

                    Wealthy people once lived with vast staffs who cooked and cleaned for them, and who often knew intimate details of the lives of the powerful.

                    Now we have found a way for the rich to outsource ... thinking. Off-load mental work to minds half way around the world. We are suppose to pretend AI is doing this work.

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                    ICO writes to Meta over 'concerning' AI smart glasses report

                    Videos, including of glasses-wearers using the toilet or having sex, are sometimes reviewed by a Kenya-based subcontractor.

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                    (www.bbc.com)

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                    @futurebird

                    Epstein eyewear

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                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                      @secretsloth

                      Why don't ya'll ever want to invent anything useful or exciting?

                      It's just facial recognition for the secret police, sex spy cams, random people looking at your underwear, creepy stuff and never someone showing you how to do a knit and purl correctly, never making going up the stairs easier for people with limited vision, never a damn good idea. I'm doing this again:

                      Link Preview Image
                      myrmepropagandist (@futurebird@sauropods.win)

                      Attached: 1 image I need a name for this moment, this emotion. Christina: "Hey, Brent I was triple charged for my subscription, can you help me?" Brent: "Hi, Christina, I'm Brent, how can I help you today." It's all those little moments were you think "no, this is bad. This is not more efficient, this is not high tech. This is just bad."

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                      @futurebird @secretsloth This is actually an improvement!!
                      Twenty years ago, I had to deal with a customer service that was SAVING MONEY by hiring just any random high schooler.
                      Bad. Not only didn't understand the problem, but "solved" it by doing something random, "Thank you, sir", and hanging up.
                      Went through that at least three times before reaching the last actual person on staff. They looked at the log and started laughing.

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                      • lilithian@pagan.plusL lilithian@pagan.plus

                        @futurebird why would you have sex with these on

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                        @lilithian @futurebird is it possible they can continue recording after taking them off? Where do you set your glasses down in a bedroom?
                        So is it possible some of these cases weren't even purposeful?

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                        • cubeofcheese@mstdn.socialC cubeofcheese@mstdn.social

                          @lilithian @futurebird is it possible they can continue recording after taking them off? Where do you set your glasses down in a bedroom?
                          So is it possible some of these cases weren't even purposeful?

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                          @cubeofcheese @lilithian

                          " is it possible they can continue recording after taking them off? "

                          Yes they outline one such case in the article I think.

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                          • complexmath@hachyderm.ioC complexmath@hachyderm.io

                            @futurebird @secretsloth when AR started being a thing I thought “oh wow, airplane engine repair people could get an entire HUD for part status, last replacement time, and schematics when they look at a thing” and while it turned out that was wildly ambitious for the tech at the time, no one seems to even be trying to do things like that because surveillance, games, and porn make more money.

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                            @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth That seems like a genuinely cool use of technology that is probably quite feasible to do WELL now and also likely would be appreciated by actual people in those jobs (easier than context switching to look at a maintenance log on some other screen or whatever). But also one that you REALLY can't use an LLM for because getting it wrong even a little could be disastrous.

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                              @futurebird @secretsloth when AR started being a thing I thought “oh wow, airplane engine repair people could get an entire HUD for part status, last replacement time, and schematics when they look at a thing” and while it turned out that was wildly ambitious for the tech at the time, no one seems to even be trying to do things like that because surveillance, games, and porn make more money.

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                              @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth That was why I was tempted to put a preorder on LaForge glasses. Of course, they turned out to be vaporware.

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                              • complexmath@hachyderm.ioC complexmath@hachyderm.io

                                @futurebird @secretsloth when AR started being a thing I thought “oh wow, airplane engine repair people could get an entire HUD for part status, last replacement time, and schematics when they look at a thing” and while it turned out that was wildly ambitious for the tech at the time, no one seems to even be trying to do things like that because surveillance, games, and porn make more money.

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                                @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth I remember this being a literal plot device in Michael Crichton’s AIRFRAME. It seemed so cool and obviously useful!

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                                  @futurebird @secretsloth when AR started being a thing I thought “oh wow, airplane engine repair people could get an entire HUD for part status, last replacement time, and schematics when they look at a thing” and while it turned out that was wildly ambitious for the tech at the time, no one seems to even be trying to do things like that because surveillance, games, and porn make more money.

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                                  @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth I went to a VR-adjacent trade show like ... 20 years ago?... and aircraft maintenance AR was a thing a bunch of people were working towards. I don't know if it didn't pan out, or if it's old hat now, or what

                                  Even without real lock-to-the-environment AR, a HUD with next steps and instructions seems like it should be super useful when your hands are full of tools

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                                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                    Would you be surprised to find out that the facebook "smart" glasses have been outsourcing the video for review and processing to Nairobi?

                                    Wealthy people once lived with vast staffs who cooked and cleaned for them, and who often knew intimate details of the lives of the powerful.

                                    Now we have found a way for the rich to outsource ... thinking. Off-load mental work to minds half way around the world. We are suppose to pretend AI is doing this work.

                                    Link Preview Image
                                    ICO writes to Meta over 'concerning' AI smart glasses report

                                    Videos, including of glasses-wearers using the toilet or having sex, are sometimes reviewed by a Kenya-based subcontractor.

                                    favicon

                                    (www.bbc.com)

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                                    @futurebird

                                    Mechanical turk.

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                                    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                                      @lilithian

                                      I think we know why in some cases. It's a power thing in a way. A kind of exhibitionism.

                                      Also they may save the video for later.

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                                      @futurebird@sauropods.win @lilithian@pagan.plus

                                      they may save the video for later

                                      this is litrrally black mirror plot <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://outerheaven.club/emoji/blobcat/blobcatgrimacing.png" title=":blobcatgrimacing:" />
                                      (not that we haven't had enough black mirror irl already)

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                                      • complexmath@hachyderm.ioC complexmath@hachyderm.io

                                        @futurebird @secretsloth when AR started being a thing I thought “oh wow, airplane engine repair people could get an entire HUD for part status, last replacement time, and schematics when they look at a thing” and while it turned out that was wildly ambitious for the tech at the time, no one seems to even be trying to do things like that because surveillance, games, and porn make more money.

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                                        @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth yea it turns out that having incredibly detailed 3d models of every component involved is many orders of magnitude more expensive than anticipated, both computationally and in personal labor.
                                        I've been involved in modern AR for the past two years and my takeaway is it's still not even close to ready. Not the hardware, not the infrastructure, not the programming models, and don't get me started on the UX.

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                                          @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth I went to a VR-adjacent trade show like ... 20 years ago?... and aircraft maintenance AR was a thing a bunch of people were working towards. I don't know if it didn't pan out, or if it's old hat now, or what

                                          Even without real lock-to-the-environment AR, a HUD with next steps and instructions seems like it should be super useful when your hands are full of tools

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                                          @hattifattener @complexmath @futurebird @secretsloth the headsets that have the resolution you need for that kind of HUD are some combination of too heavy, too expensive, and obscure vision to much. There are people working on it still but it's not there.

                                          Also concerns about deskilling, outages, ongoing costs...

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