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    nicksworld@mastodon.stickbear.me
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    Controversial opinion. I don't want a service dog purely because I don't want to deal with the bullshit of the human race. A cane at least is less of a problem, to most people, its just a stick. Nobody has a problem with a stick. #Blind

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      Controversial opinion. I don't want a service dog purely because I don't want to deal with the bullshit of the human race. A cane at least is less of a problem, to most people, its just a stick. Nobody has a problem with a stick. #Blind

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      kingslayer@mastodon.stickbear.me
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      @NicksWorld Honestly I agree. I used to want a guide dog when I was little. but people had to go and ruin it by denying people access all the time. Not to mention fake service dogs.

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        @NicksWorld Honestly I agree. I used to want a guide dog when I was little. but people had to go and ruin it by denying people access all the time. Not to mention fake service dogs.

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        nicksworld@mastodon.stickbear.me
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        @Kingslayer I have seen way too many videos of people being denied services because they have guidedogs that they would not if they just had a cane.

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          Controversial opinion. I don't want a service dog purely because I don't want to deal with the bullshit of the human race. A cane at least is less of a problem, to most people, its just a stick. Nobody has a problem with a stick. #Blind

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          lynn@mastodon.stickbear.me
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          @NicksWorld That's a valid opinion, shared by many. I used a cane for many years before I met Fox, and my cane never once guided me, reasoned something out for my safety, comforted and grieved with me, and, in general, made my life extraordinarily happy. Guide dogs aren't for everyone, but Fox and Beauty were for me. 😂 🐶

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            @NicksWorld That's a valid opinion, shared by many. I used a cane for many years before I met Fox, and my cane never once guided me, reasoned something out for my safety, comforted and grieved with me, and, in general, made my life extraordinarily happy. Guide dogs aren't for everyone, but Fox and Beauty were for me. 😂 🐶

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            nicksworld@mastodon.stickbear.me
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            @Lynn If other people were kind about it and would not present the problems I've seen with so many dog owners, i'd be singing a different tune but people really just don't understand the blind population.

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              @Kingslayer I have seen way too many videos of people being denied services because they have guidedogs that they would not if they just had a cane.

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              mariahl@dragonscave.space
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              @NicksWorld @Kingslayer The white cane isn't a one size fits all thing, though. It's not as simple as that, Nick. I've had a guide dog and even though I had plenty of problems, the way we moved was so freeing. With a cane when you encounter an obsticle the cane hits it. A dog will either show you what the obsticle is or just take you around it. Being able to just move with that sort of fuidity was amazing. I honestly hate my cane sometimes. I don't have the speed of movement that I used to have, but also a dog can break the ice in social situations. The white cane has a lot of unspoken stigmas attached to it. When I worked at a summer camp for kids with disabilities back in 2017 I got so much more from people because of my dog. My friend who was a cane user struggled in social situations where I did not. Sure I can chalk half of his struggles to his social skills not being the best, but really, it was because I had a dog and we both knew it.

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              • N nicksworld@mastodon.stickbear.me

                @Lynn If other people were kind about it and would not present the problems I've seen with so many dog owners, i'd be singing a different tune but people really just don't understand the blind population.

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                lynn@mastodon.stickbear.me
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                @NicksWorld Many people don't, but, I have to say that in the twenty plus years I had Fox and Beauty, I can count on one hand the number of times our entrance to a place of business was questioned, and only twice did I have to pull out the statute book. One restaurant owner threatened to call the police and was very hostile and aggressive. It concerned me some because I didn't know how Fox would react. To her credit, she sat by my side like a lady, although she did stare him down, I learned later. I politely told the man, he should go ahead and call the police, if he wished, but we were not leaving. He decided to let us in, I think because he actually did know the law, and hoped Fox and I would be intimidated. So my experiences, during those years, were 99.9% positive.

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                  @NicksWorld @Kingslayer The white cane isn't a one size fits all thing, though. It's not as simple as that, Nick. I've had a guide dog and even though I had plenty of problems, the way we moved was so freeing. With a cane when you encounter an obsticle the cane hits it. A dog will either show you what the obsticle is or just take you around it. Being able to just move with that sort of fuidity was amazing. I honestly hate my cane sometimes. I don't have the speed of movement that I used to have, but also a dog can break the ice in social situations. The white cane has a lot of unspoken stigmas attached to it. When I worked at a summer camp for kids with disabilities back in 2017 I got so much more from people because of my dog. My friend who was a cane user struggled in social situations where I did not. Sure I can chalk half of his struggles to his social skills not being the best, but really, it was because I had a dog and we both knew it.

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                  nicksworld@mastodon.stickbear.me
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                  @MariahL @Kingslayer At least for me, I've not had problems with the cane. I've not had a dog but I've heard so many stories of those with dogs being outright denied services. I have not heard of this happening with cane holders.

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                    @NicksWorld @Kingslayer The white cane isn't a one size fits all thing, though. It's not as simple as that, Nick. I've had a guide dog and even though I had plenty of problems, the way we moved was so freeing. With a cane when you encounter an obsticle the cane hits it. A dog will either show you what the obsticle is or just take you around it. Being able to just move with that sort of fuidity was amazing. I honestly hate my cane sometimes. I don't have the speed of movement that I used to have, but also a dog can break the ice in social situations. The white cane has a lot of unspoken stigmas attached to it. When I worked at a summer camp for kids with disabilities back in 2017 I got so much more from people because of my dog. My friend who was a cane user struggled in social situations where I did not. Sure I can chalk half of his struggles to his social skills not being the best, but really, it was because I had a dog and we both knew it.

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                    mariahl@dragonscave.space
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                    @NicksWorld @Kingslayer I'm not judging those who want to use a cane, a dog isn't for everyone, but you can't say that all the problems would go away if everybody just used a cane because that statement isn't true. I've been denied because of my cane before. I've had uber drivers see me and drive away. It's not as much of an issue but it does still exist.

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                      @NicksWorld @Kingslayer I'm not judging those who want to use a cane, a dog isn't for everyone, but you can't say that all the problems would go away if everybody just used a cane because that statement isn't true. I've been denied because of my cane before. I've had uber drivers see me and drive away. It's not as much of an issue but it does still exist.

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                      nicksworld@mastodon.stickbear.me
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                      @MariahL @Kingslayer Well, I wasn't saying that dog owners shouldn't exist. I'm only saying why I personally wouldn't want one.

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                      • N nicksworld@mastodon.stickbear.me

                        @MariahL @Kingslayer At least for me, I've not had problems with the cane. I've not had a dog but I've heard so many stories of those with dogs being outright denied services. I have not heard of this happening with cane holders.

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                        mariahl@dragonscave.space
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                        @NicksWorld @Kingslayer Yes, there is more of a problem with people denying service dog and horse users but cane users get a bit of that denial too. As I mentioned above cane users face their own set of problems.

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                          @NicksWorld @Kingslayer Yes, there is more of a problem with people denying service dog and horse users but cane users get a bit of that denial too. As I mentioned above cane users face their own set of problems.

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                          @NicksWorld @Kingslayer A cane user's issues might be more socially centered than anything else, but the issues exist, unfortunately.

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                            @NicksWorld @Kingslayer A cane user's issues might be more socially centered than anything else, but the issues exist, unfortunately.

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                            @MariahL @Kingslayer Yeah, you have a point.

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                              @MariahL @Kingslayer Yeah, you have a point.

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                              @NicksWorld @Kingslayer I've seen both sides and I'll take dog over cane any day, all the responsibilities included.

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                                @NicksWorld @Kingslayer I've seen both sides and I'll take dog over cane any day, all the responsibilities included.

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                                @MariahL @Kingslayer I'd like a glidance machine.

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                                  @MariahL @Kingslayer I'd like a glidance machine.

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                                  mariahl@dragonscave.space
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                                  @NicksWorld @Kingslayer I don't. Not with that price point and what's been going on with them. Their Europe customer base had to be refunded after being promised units when they came out. Not a good look for them.

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                                  • M mariahl@dragonscave.space

                                    @NicksWorld @Kingslayer The white cane isn't a one size fits all thing, though. It's not as simple as that, Nick. I've had a guide dog and even though I had plenty of problems, the way we moved was so freeing. With a cane when you encounter an obsticle the cane hits it. A dog will either show you what the obsticle is or just take you around it. Being able to just move with that sort of fuidity was amazing. I honestly hate my cane sometimes. I don't have the speed of movement that I used to have, but also a dog can break the ice in social situations. The white cane has a lot of unspoken stigmas attached to it. When I worked at a summer camp for kids with disabilities back in 2017 I got so much more from people because of my dog. My friend who was a cane user struggled in social situations where I did not. Sure I can chalk half of his struggles to his social skills not being the best, but really, it was because I had a dog and we both knew it.

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                                    vol4life8657@tweesecake.social
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                                    @MariahL @NicksWorld @Kingslayer I agree with that. When I had my guide dog, the only way I can describe it is liberating. Once you learn to put your trust in the dog, and you both learn to work as a team, everything just goes way through the roof. And I agree on the dog making one more approachable. Everything just goes up.

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                                      @MariahL @NicksWorld @Kingslayer I agree with that. When I had my guide dog, the only way I can describe it is liberating. Once you learn to put your trust in the dog, and you both learn to work as a team, everything just goes way through the roof. And I agree on the dog making one more approachable. Everything just goes up.

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                                      mariahl@dragonscave.space
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                                      @vol4life8657 @NicksWorld @Kingslayer It really does. That moment of I'd trust this animal with my life is so profound.

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                                        @vol4life8657 @NicksWorld @Kingslayer It really does. That moment of I'd trust this animal with my life is so profound.

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                                        nicksworld@mastodon.stickbear.me
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                                        @MariahL @vol4life8657 @Kingslayer I guess I'd have to work with a guidedog for me to understand, because I don't know what its like. Would it not take more effert mentally traveling with a dog? or does it take less?

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                                        • N nicksworld@mastodon.stickbear.me

                                          @MariahL @vol4life8657 @Kingslayer I guess I'd have to work with a guidedog for me to understand, because I don't know what its like. Would it not take more effert mentally traveling with a dog? or does it take less?

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                                          vol4life8657@tweesecake.social
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                                          @NicksWorld @MariahL @Kingslayer If you go to a quality school, they'll teach you how to travel with them. But most schools will want to make sure that your O N M skills are up to scratch, or you won't get a dog.

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