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The Wikimedia Foundation has dissolved the Community Tech team and laid off 5 engineers + 1 manager while unionization efforts are ongoing.

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  • kouett@soc.kouett.net.eu.orgK kouett@soc.kouett.net.eu.org
    @neriman you should contact the wikipedia projects. tell them how this decision will hurt them too.

    make as much noise as possible. fuck shit up. let it be know theyre union busting assholes. I hope everyone hears you loud and clear! good luck for the fight - its not over
    neriman@wikis.worldN This user is from outside of this forum
    neriman@wikis.worldN This user is from outside of this forum
    neriman@wikis.world
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    @kouett I sent this message to multiple mailing lists

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    • neriman@wikis.worldN neriman@wikis.world

      The Wikimedia Foundation has dissolved the Community Tech team and laid off 5 engineers + 1 manager while unionization efforts are ongoing.

      Contributors are raising concerns about loss of community-focused engineering, possible union busting and growing disconnect between WMF leadership and volunteers

      A solidarity initiative is now underway across Wikimedia projects.

      Read more & consider supporting:

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      Community response to WMF layoffs and labor concerns - Wikitech-l - lists.wikimedia.org

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      #Wikipedia #Wikimedia

      despotocosmos@mastodon.worldD This user is from outside of this forum
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      despotocosmos@mastodon.world
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      @neriman This Christmas past might be the last Christmas I give a donation to the Wikipedia website. I have seen vague rumors of shenangans about content and now this. Also they only used to ask for donations once a year, and when you gave they stopped asking for donations for that year. I was so impressed by that. It made me feel that here was a true community not in an endless chase of the dollar. I forget when that stopped and now seems like a continous begging alarm about how bad things are.

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      • neriman@wikis.worldN neriman@wikis.world

        The Wikimedia Foundation has dissolved the Community Tech team and laid off 5 engineers + 1 manager while unionization efforts are ongoing.

        Contributors are raising concerns about loss of community-focused engineering, possible union busting and growing disconnect between WMF leadership and volunteers

        A solidarity initiative is now underway across Wikimedia projects.

        Read more & consider supporting:

        Link Preview Image
        Community response to WMF layoffs and labor concerns - Wikitech-l - lists.wikimedia.org

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        (lists.wikimedia.org)

        #Wikipedia #Wikimedia

        ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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        ariarhythmic@ohai.social
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        @neriman wow, now I've seen it all

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        • greenbone@tooting.chG greenbone@tooting.ch

          @neriman possible #entshification of #wikipedia coming next? #unionbusting at community driven projects is a scandal

          neriman@wikis.worldN This user is from outside of this forum
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          neriman@wikis.world
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          @greenbone That's exactly what many editors are worried about. Wikipedia's public trust comes from being community-driven and not behaving like a typical tech corporation.

          By the way, WMF has stated that the layoffs were not related to unionization efforts and says it will respect the legal unionization process.

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          • joscelyntransient@chaosfem.twJ joscelyntransient@chaosfem.tw

            @neriman the union busting behavior is atrocious, and undermines the great work that actual workers at wikimedia do. The management of the org needs to stop being shitheads and respect their people, because they’re the ones who actually *do* what wikimedia does

            neriman@wikis.worldN This user is from outside of this forum
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            @JoscelynTransient https://wikis.world/@neriman/116617693032716925

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            • kouett@soc.kouett.net.eu.orgK kouett@soc.kouett.net.eu.org
              @neriman you should contact the wikipedia projects. tell them how this decision will hurt them too.

              make as much noise as possible. fuck shit up. let it be know theyre union busting assholes. I hope everyone hears you loud and clear! good luck for the fight - its not over
              tamzin@wikis.worldT This user is from outside of this forum
              tamzin@wikis.worldT This user is from outside of this forum
              tamzin@wikis.world
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              @kouett @neriman The English Wikipedia community is already discussing an editorial strike (conditional upon it being requested by Wiki Workers United). At the moment we have 113 signatories, who collectively have made over 3,000,000 edits and written about 700 of our best articles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#Petition:_Editors_willing_to_join_in_collective_labor_action

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              • tamzin@wikis.worldT tamzin@wikis.world

                @kouett @neriman The English Wikipedia community is already discussing an editorial strike (conditional upon it being requested by Wiki Workers United). At the moment we have 113 signatories, who collectively have made over 3,000,000 edits and written about 700 of our best articles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#Petition:_Editors_willing_to_join_in_collective_labor_action

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                kouett@soc.kouett.net.eu.org
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                @tamzin @neriman good! thank you for the effort and keep going :3
                good luck
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                • kouett@soc.kouett.net.eu.orgK kouett@soc.kouett.net.eu.org
                  @tamzin @neriman good! thank you for the effort and keep going :3
                  good luck
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                  @kouett merci ! great display name btw

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                  • neriman@wikis.worldN neriman@wikis.world

                    The Wikimedia Foundation has dissolved the Community Tech team and laid off 5 engineers + 1 manager while unionization efforts are ongoing.

                    Contributors are raising concerns about loss of community-focused engineering, possible union busting and growing disconnect between WMF leadership and volunteers

                    A solidarity initiative is now underway across Wikimedia projects.

                    Read more & consider supporting:

                    Link Preview Image
                    Community response to WMF layoffs and labor concerns - Wikitech-l - lists.wikimedia.org

                    favicon

                    (lists.wikimedia.org)

                    #Wikipedia #Wikimedia

                    hsza@social.tudbut.deH This user is from outside of this forum
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                    hsza@social.tudbut.de
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                    @neriman incredible /s

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                    • neriman@wikis.worldN neriman@wikis.world

                      The Wikimedia Foundation has dissolved the Community Tech team and laid off 5 engineers + 1 manager while unionization efforts are ongoing.

                      Contributors are raising concerns about loss of community-focused engineering, possible union busting and growing disconnect between WMF leadership and volunteers

                      A solidarity initiative is now underway across Wikimedia projects.

                      Read more & consider supporting:

                      Link Preview Image
                      Community response to WMF layoffs and labor concerns - Wikitech-l - lists.wikimedia.org

                      favicon

                      (lists.wikimedia.org)

                      #Wikipedia #Wikimedia

                      yoasif@mastodon.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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                      yoasif@mastodon.social
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                      @neriman This strike is so strange - it has nothing to do with the fact that contributions are being stolen and sold off to LLM companies, and is focused on layoff.

                      The actual corpus is being stolen, and people are quibbling over some jobs that people are getting paid for - while the volunteer community is being robbed wholesale.

                      The staff may be losing their job, but you are working for free and all you want is for some other people to get paid as you get robbed.

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                      • neriman@wikis.worldN neriman@wikis.world

                        The Wikimedia Foundation has dissolved the Community Tech team and laid off 5 engineers + 1 manager while unionization efforts are ongoing.

                        Contributors are raising concerns about loss of community-focused engineering, possible union busting and growing disconnect between WMF leadership and volunteers

                        A solidarity initiative is now underway across Wikimedia projects.

                        Read more & consider supporting:

                        Link Preview Image
                        Community response to WMF layoffs and labor concerns - Wikitech-l - lists.wikimedia.org

                        favicon

                        (lists.wikimedia.org)

                        #Wikipedia #Wikimedia

                        deborahh@cosocial.caD This user is from outside of this forum
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                        deborahh@cosocial.ca
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                        @neriman @ShaulaEvans wow, that "sign the petition is too geeky for me". I guess it's intended for wikipedidia contributors.

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                        • neriman@wikis.worldN neriman@wikis.world

                          The Wikimedia Foundation has dissolved the Community Tech team and laid off 5 engineers + 1 manager while unionization efforts are ongoing.

                          Contributors are raising concerns about loss of community-focused engineering, possible union busting and growing disconnect between WMF leadership and volunteers

                          A solidarity initiative is now underway across Wikimedia projects.

                          Read more & consider supporting:

                          Link Preview Image
                          Community response to WMF layoffs and labor concerns - Wikitech-l - lists.wikimedia.org

                          favicon

                          (lists.wikimedia.org)

                          #Wikipedia #Wikimedia

                          skyluke@bolha.usS This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @neriman It was always a bad foundation. They beg for money like they are going to die while giving huge bonuses to executives. I stopped donating after discovering that the campaigns are severely misleading

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                          • deborahh@cosocial.caD deborahh@cosocial.ca

                            @neriman @ShaulaEvans wow, that "sign the petition is too geeky for me". I guess it's intended for wikipedidia contributors.

                            neriman@wikis.worldN This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @deborahh @ShaulaEvans you can sign if you have Wikipedia account, you can also help by spreading the word:

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                            How to take action for Wiki Workers United as part of the Wikimedia Community

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                            Wiki Workers United (wikiworkersunited.org)

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                            • neriman@wikis.worldN neriman@wikis.world

                              The Wikimedia Foundation has dissolved the Community Tech team and laid off 5 engineers + 1 manager while unionization efforts are ongoing.

                              Contributors are raising concerns about loss of community-focused engineering, possible union busting and growing disconnect between WMF leadership and volunteers

                              A solidarity initiative is now underway across Wikimedia projects.

                              Read more & consider supporting:

                              Link Preview Image
                              Community response to WMF layoffs and labor concerns - Wikitech-l - lists.wikimedia.org

                              favicon

                              (lists.wikimedia.org)

                              #Wikipedia #Wikimedia

                              kiloku@burnthis.townK This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @neriman I've sent an email to stop my recurring donations to WMF, and stated the reason as their union-busting practices.

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                              • yoasif@mastodon.socialY yoasif@mastodon.social

                                @neriman This strike is so strange - it has nothing to do with the fact that contributions are being stolen and sold off to LLM companies, and is focused on layoff.

                                The actual corpus is being stolen, and people are quibbling over some jobs that people are getting paid for - while the volunteer community is being robbed wholesale.

                                The staff may be losing their job, but you are working for free and all you want is for some other people to get paid as you get robbed.

                                boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.ioB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                boydstephensmithjr@hachyderm.io
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                                @yoasif @neriman Even before LLMs were implemented, the corpus was routinely used elsewhere, usually in conformance to the license but sometimes violating the copyrights of the contributors.

                                Do you think use as training data violates the CC license the corpus is licensed with?

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                                • neriman@wikis.worldN neriman@wikis.world

                                  @greenbone That's exactly what many editors are worried about. Wikipedia's public trust comes from being community-driven and not behaving like a typical tech corporation.

                                  By the way, WMF has stated that the layoffs were not related to unionization efforts and says it will respect the legal unionization process.

                                  drwho@masto.hackers.townD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @neriman @greenbone They always say that.

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                                  • neriman@wikis.worldN neriman@wikis.world

                                    The Wikimedia Foundation has dissolved the Community Tech team and laid off 5 engineers + 1 manager while unionization efforts are ongoing.

                                    Contributors are raising concerns about loss of community-focused engineering, possible union busting and growing disconnect between WMF leadership and volunteers

                                    A solidarity initiative is now underway across Wikimedia projects.

                                    Read more & consider supporting:

                                    Link Preview Image
                                    Community response to WMF layoffs and labor concerns - Wikitech-l - lists.wikimedia.org

                                    favicon

                                    (lists.wikimedia.org)

                                    #Wikipedia #Wikimedia

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                                    boerdejakobiner@machteburch.social
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                                    @neriman NB: in the jurisdiction where I live, the suspicion that an employer fired staff because they wanted to unionize may lead to criminal investigations ✊

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