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Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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  • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

    @loleg @halla @KitsuneofInari i dont consider LLMs to be tools at all

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    @Li @halla @KitsuneofInari fine, they’re not tools, they’re stamps.

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    • loleg@hachyderm.ioL loleg@hachyderm.io

      @halla @Li @KitsuneofInari This is tantamount to saying don’t use tools, or libraries, or graphics cards, if you don’t review their code. I can’t agree with this sentiment. The real issue is the broken trust and overreach of agentic tools.

      Should I ditch the Wacom and pick up a papyrus roll and feather quill instead because I don’t review the Krita source code or my tablet’s circuits? No, I trust the authors and their community.

      So the question in my mind is: in what skilled hands, with which LLM, and to what extent, does it fall within the boundaries of acceptable use?

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      @halla @Li @KitsuneofInari I completely respect the decision of the maintainers, and think it’s better to have a clear policy than let the debate stew and simmer. Given the user base and sentiment against the GenAI topic, it’s possibly even the right move.

      I just want to see an even better justification, like: we don’t add code, we tactically remove it. Our code base is a sculpture, and LLMs aren’t much help here.

      Or even: as you kind of wrote above, Krita is an expression of the joy of art through the joy of coding. We aren’t feeling the vibes when you PR us your lobster soup, but feel free to make your own painting program from scratch. Call it Pincha, if you want!

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      • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

        @KitsuneofInari im not sure id say that understanding of code is a boolean function of just either fully understanding everything including any and all bugs that could ever arise, and not understanding it at all, but rather a variable level of some understanding,

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        @Li @KitsuneofInari I think the main issue is not the code you design and write, but that its interacting with code and users you don't fully know. Often requirements or the assumptions behind the code you change or the code you interact with are not documented. Often users don't tell you what they really want. Or don't know that a small action they don't tell you in the error report is the key to understand the bug.

        Good software developers are not nerds or code monkeys, but good mentalists.

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        • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

          Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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          @KitsuneofInari That’s a really eloquent way to describe my issue with “as long as you understand the code” argument.

          That never mattered.

          I won’t merge code written entirely by human just because they understand it. Because what matters is whether after an isekai accident someone new will be able to work with it.

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          • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

            Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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            @KitsuneofInari KDE developers try not be based challenge, literally impossible.

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              @mischievoustomato @KitsuneofInari or it might end up like windows 11 that takes a whole second to render the fucking right click context menu lmao
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              • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                @KitsuneofInari ...and removes copyright from the rest of the code unless it is explicitly marked as LLM generated.

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                • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                  Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                  "Some may say, as long as the contributor understands the code it's fine, but that's a fallacy. No programmer really fully understands the code they are working with."

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                  • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                    Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                    @KitsuneofInari I mean, those are pretty strong reasons

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                    • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                      Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                      @KitsuneofInari I totally agree! Hold the line!

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                      • g1comics@equestria.socialG g1comics@equestria.social

                        @KitsuneofInari I checked and here's the post ♥️ @halla

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                        Policy on LLM code?

                        Hi, what’s the policy on LLM-generated code when making MRs? I ask because I thought I would ask chatGPT to implement Mixer Brush in Krita, and, having spent a few days going back and forth with it, to my surprise, I se…

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                        @g1comics @KitsuneofInari @halla you're doing God's work

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                          @GezThePez It is not, no.

                          @KitsuneofInari

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                          • g1comics@equestria.socialG g1comics@equestria.social

                            @KitsuneofInari I checked and here's the post ♥️ @halla

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                            Policy on LLM code?

                            Hi, what’s the policy on LLM-generated code when making MRs? I ask because I thought I would ask chatGPT to implement Mixer Brush in Krita, and, having spent a few days going back and forth with it, to my surprise, I se…

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                            Krita Artists (krita-artists.org)

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                            @g1comics @KitsuneofInari @halla

                            Heck yeah! 🩵

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                            • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                              Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                              @KitsuneofInari Hell yeah!

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                              • ulyssesalmeida@bolha.usU ulyssesalmeida@bolha.us

                                @KitsuneofInari how do they detect LLM generated code?

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                                @ulyssesalmeida @KitsuneofInari Aside from them all slapping their branding on it? Poor code quality. LLMs don't know how to call existing functions; they just write new code with some stab at the same functionality. Heck, they're finding Claude Code is vibe-coded by Claude itself and it's so incapable of calling functions that it's literally re-prompting itself instead.

                                If that's any indication, detecting generated code is as simple as a gut check. If your guts are wringing your lunch back out, it's generated. XD

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                                • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                                  Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                                  @KitsuneofInari MORE OF THiS KIND Of THiNG

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                                  • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                                    Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                                    @KitsuneofInari@mastodon.sakura-star.net Inkscape has said similar...

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                                    • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                                      Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                                      @KitsuneofInari There is such a thing as making mistakes because of carelessness, and it is also one reason why bugzilla is not empty, aside from not understanding the code. That said, this is a nitpick and I pretty much agree with everything they said.

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                                      • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                                        Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                                        @yunohost De fait, on doit s'attendre à ce que des logiciels comme Nextcloud soient retirés du catalogue ? Et d'autres comme LocalAI ?

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                                        • kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.netK kitsuneofinari@mastodon.sakura-star.net

                                          Krita’s Maintainer is awesome!

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                                          @KitsuneofInari @halla it is heartwarming to see such integrity from great FOSS projects.

                                          Keep up the awesome work!

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