interesting thought/discussion question: do you think Apple will make it to 100?
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@tsrono I mean there won't be another apple reinvention of GUI, digital computers including apple watches etc are now banal and not exciting like pen and paper media. Apple is good in one thing, as a marketing company. Digital media is cheap to manufacture in China and ubiquitous in every household, eventually consumers will grow tired of buying the same stuff over again and eventually alternative firms will diversify the technological landscape.
@pedroferreira to some extent i do hope you're right, & i think in some ways that's a pretty realistic possibility. some combination of competition & interest moving on is certainly likely in the long term.
they had some opportunities to diversify their interfaces but are instead unifying them, it seems. maybe better for the current generations but yeah, long term idk that it's the best strategy. they could pivot & open some things up at any time, of course, but that doesn't seem in the cards.
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@tsrono i think they have a roadmap for many more ports and format changes to make for connecting peripherals so.. at least another 50 years… so many ports to delete.
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@tsrono Plogue make the best DX7 plug-in, and arguably the best MegaDrive/Genesis & C64 plug-ins too. I'm eagerly awaiting a rumoured Amiga Paula sampler from them.
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@oscillik @eczem @trashpandaqc ooooh that i've heard of! didn't realize it w/ just Plogue mentioned. must be pretty solid if you've been using it for so long
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@oscillik @eczem @trashpandaqc ooooh that i've heard of! didn't realize it w/ just Plogue mentioned. must be pretty solid if you've been using it for so long
@tsrono @oscillik @eczem it's got its pros and cons! part of the reason is just learning time for any of the alternatives. it's easy to learn, and easy to group subpatches together and make linked presets for performance, that's a big thing for me. but the GUI options are pretty bad compared to any of the alternatives, and getting worse with updates. I might eventually learn PD for longevity's sake.
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@tsrono @oscillik @eczem it's got its pros and cons! part of the reason is just learning time for any of the alternatives. it's easy to learn, and easy to group subpatches together and make linked presets for performance, that's a big thing for me. but the GUI options are pretty bad compared to any of the alternatives, and getting worse with updates. I might eventually learn PD for longevity's sake.
@trashpandaqc oh, has it been abandoned at this point? i think Reaktor's officially dead but folks tend to stick with what they know & obviously can do with using older tools for plenty of time, if motivated. if i'd fallen a little more in love with AudioMulch i might've went that route myself, but i definitely got on well with Ableton once i got over that initial learning curve for it. (Ableton 7, i think?)
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@trashpandaqc oh, has it been abandoned at this point? i think Reaktor's officially dead but folks tend to stick with what they know & obviously can do with using older tools for plenty of time, if motivated. if i'd fallen a little more in love with AudioMulch i might've went that route myself, but i definitely got on well with Ableton once i got over that initial learning curve for it. (Ableton 7, i think?)
@tsrono @oscillik @eczem not abandoned, but the latest update "improved" the GUI with this non-skeuomorphic scheme that hides some of the info unless you mouseover, I hate it (comparison below). so far the old one is still usable...
Bidule doesn't seem to have many users tho, the devs are pretty clear it's a side project / never officially been "1.0." so idk, at this point I feel like PD will always be maintained & might eventually be necessary if MacOS or Plogue themselves break more stuff
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@tsrono @oscillik @eczem not abandoned, but the latest update "improved" the GUI with this non-skeuomorphic scheme that hides some of the info unless you mouseover, I hate it (comparison below). so far the old one is still usable...
Bidule doesn't seem to have many users tho, the devs are pretty clear it's a side project / never officially been "1.0." so idk, at this point I feel like PD will always be maintained & might eventually be necessary if MacOS or Plogue themselves break more stuff
@trashpandaqc hmm yeah i can't say i like the look of either at first glance but that sort of thing is down to ease of use far more than it is to which just 'looks' better out of context.
but if it's been around for ~10 years & it's still just sorta 'side project' status, that's not a great sign.such is the way when it comes to not 'pro-level' software tho, to be expected almost (tho like you mention, there's other options at the least)
not the chatter i was expecting but i'm always glad to learn about cool sound makers