I don't even know how one would do a good survey of this, but I'm always curious for trans people how much of our career "success" was from before or after our transition.
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I don't even know how one would do a good survey of this, but I'm always curious for trans people how much of our career "success" was from before or after our transition. Or vice versa.
Trans people are as close as you could really get to an A/B test on workplace misogyny. It's literally the same exact person presenting as different genders.
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I don't even know how one would do a good survey of this, but I'm always curious for trans people how much of our career "success" was from before or after our transition. Or vice versa.
Trans people are as close as you could really get to an A/B test on workplace misogyny. It's literally the same exact person presenting as different genders.
@JessTheUnstill I know for a fact my success mostly came before transition. I ran into some speed bumps before my egg cracked, but I'm in a stable job again now and have become completely stagnant.
I definitely have more expected of me than the men around me and receive less recognition for the same (or better) work...
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I don't even know how one would do a good survey of this, but I'm always curious for trans people how much of our career "success" was from before or after our transition. Or vice versa.
Trans people are as close as you could really get to an A/B test on workplace misogyny. It's literally the same exact person presenting as different genders.
@JessTheUnstill uhh i'll let you know in a year or two? lol
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I don't even know how one would do a good survey of this, but I'm always curious for trans people how much of our career "success" was from before or after our transition. Or vice versa.
Trans people are as close as you could really get to an A/B test on workplace misogyny. It's literally the same exact person presenting as different genders.
@JessTheUnstill for mine, it's absolutely before. I would have been way happier in my body if I transitioned way the fuck earlier, but I'd also almost certainly be poorer. Like, I make more money right now than I ever did before but that's from building on the connections I made beforehand. I absolutely had a harder time getting hired after starting HRT, though it could be a coincidence (usual caveats about applying overarching models to individual cases).
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@JessTheUnstill for mine, it's absolutely before. I would have been way happier in my body if I transitioned way the fuck earlier, but I'd also almost certainly be poorer. Like, I make more money right now than I ever did before but that's from building on the connections I made beforehand. I absolutely had a harder time getting hired after starting HRT, though it could be a coincidence (usual caveats about applying overarching models to individual cases).
@JessTheUnstill and it's very up and down. Right now I'm making the most in terms of monthly income, but I was making some of my lowest income for several years in a row prior to this year. I think I do have fairly good reason to think I started getting discriminated against.
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@JessTheUnstill for mine, it's absolutely before. I would have been way happier in my body if I transitioned way the fuck earlier, but I'd also almost certainly be poorer. Like, I make more money right now than I ever did before but that's from building on the connections I made beforehand. I absolutely had a harder time getting hired after starting HRT, though it could be a coincidence (usual caveats about applying overarching models to individual cases).
@thomasjwebb Yeah, I feel that. Even just success in my college's CS program. There was only like 10-20% women in there, and I know they got shat on a bunch.
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I don't even know how one would do a good survey of this, but I'm always curious for trans people how much of our career "success" was from before or after our transition. Or vice versa.
Trans people are as close as you could really get to an A/B test on workplace misogyny. It's literally the same exact person presenting as different genders.
@JessTheUnstill I don't think I'm a great data point, as my "career luck" has been "in the toilet" since I began my transition a year and a half ago. The only difference the average person will see is that I have non-standard pronouns (they/them), so I can't be sure trans misogyny has had anything to do with it (they might have scared certain US companies from hiring me, but I can't be sure).
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I don't even know how one would do a good survey of this, but I'm always curious for trans people how much of our career "success" was from before or after our transition. Or vice versa.
Trans people are as close as you could really get to an A/B test on workplace misogyny. It's literally the same exact person presenting as different genders.
@JessTheUnstill I wonder about this a lot myself, since I transitioned late, after I had already hit Principal Engineer. I still don't have any concrete evidence either way.
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@thomasjwebb Yeah, I feel that. Even just success in my college's CS program. There was only like 10-20% women in there, and I know they got shat on a bunch.
@JessTheUnstill there was so much misogyny at one of my first major jobs in tech too. Women getting treated worse, sexual harassers not facing real consequences, etc. This is the sort of thing that's hard to generalize because there some trans fems, even some who transitioned as adults who were never truly treated as men. But I think I kinda was. Maybe not 100% but I think I was mostly put in the man bucket.
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@grumpybozo Yes, and that's why I said it'd be hard to study. But still a potentially interesting data point to compare
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