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Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit?

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  • johnlogic@sfba.socialJ johnlogic@sfba.social

    @drewtowler can you not instead get ViaSat or HughesNet?

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    @johnlogic When I bought my Starlink kit, I could not get either of those. Having invested in that kit, I'm obviously not going to ditch it. Not to mention the time spent routing cables through walls and roof voids. So whether I can _now_ get ViaSat or HughesNet is immaterial.
    EDIT: On checking, Viasat and HughesNet have completely unacceptable latency anyway.

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    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

      Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

      Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

      SpaceX is truly awful.

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      @sundogplanets maybe @georgemonbiot.bsky.social is interested (Topic Environment and starlink pollution)?

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      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

        Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

        Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

        SpaceX is truly awful.

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        @sundogplanets would you be interested in writing an OP-ED on this for tantvnews.com?

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        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

          Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

          Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

          SpaceX is truly awful.

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          @sundogplanets I remember when I was a kid you looked up in the sky and seeing a satellite was something cool and unusual.😕

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          • T tantvnews@mastodon.social

            @sundogplanets would you be interested in writing an OP-ED on this for tantvnews.com?

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            @Tantvnews I've co-authored two in the last few weeks about satellite pollution in general that can be reprinted CC-BY, and I am writing another one. I don't have time to write one specifically for you, sorry.

            https://theconversation.com/too-many-satellites-earths-orbit-is-on-track-for-a-catastrophe-but-we-can-stop-it-275430

            https://theconversation.com/a-new-space-race-could-turn-our-atmosphere-into-a-crematorium-for-satellites-276366

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            News websites, newspapers, magazines and anyone else can use our articles for free under this Creative Commons license and simple rules. It's high-quality, expert-written free content.

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            • foxxtrot@dice.campF foxxtrot@dice.camp

              @simon @sundogplanets IPO on June 9. Gotta get all the material out to ensure this is a massive flop by then.

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              @foxxtrot @simon @sundogplanets That's a really good insight. If enough people raise hell and the IPO crashes and burns (much like their stupid satellites), that would be a DELIGHTFUL way to end this nonsense.

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              • legit_spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.alL legit_spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.al

                @foxxtrot @simon @sundogplanets That's a really good insight. If enough people raise hell and the IPO crashes and burns (much like their stupid satellites), that would be a DELIGHTFUL way to end this nonsense.

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                @Legit_Spaghetti Sadly, I suspect there are enough Marks, hoodwinked by Musk, that the IPO won't be a *complete* disaster (though their projected valuation is outright lunacy), but here's hoping it's a flop that destroys the Cult of Musk forever.

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                • alexf24@mstdn.socialA alexf24@mstdn.social

                  @sundogplanets I am worried that at some point it could create a Kessler Effect

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                  @alexf24 @sundogplanets Yeah, I'm not really worried about reentry given how small each one is, but this is a much more pressing concern.

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                  • retrosponge@kind.socialR retrosponge@kind.social

                    @sundogplanets I remember when I was a kid you looked up in the sky and seeing a satellite was something cool and unusual.😕

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                    @retrosponge @sundogplanets

                    I remember... I used to take my binoculars and head out into the middle of nowhere to catch glimpses of the ISS when it was still new.

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                    • dirkhh@hachyderm.ioD dirkhh@hachyderm.io

                      @sundogplanets
                      Truly awful. And also on track to pull off a nice heist of everyone's retirement savings. Accelerated entry into the indexes, weighted at 5x actual float. Which means every passive index fund that doesn't exclude mega-caps will be forced to buy a ton of that garbage...

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                      apologies for the YouTube link... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rS3fTbC7TE

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                      @dirkhh Thank you for surfacing this. The numbers by Patrick Boyle in the youtube video are breathtaking.

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                      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                        Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

                        Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

                        SpaceX is truly awful.

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                        @sundogplanets What are you talking about?!😁 During bombings in ground wars, there are far more pieces of metal!

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                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                          Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

                          Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

                          SpaceX is truly awful.

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                          @sundogplanets I do wonder how much research/consideration typically goes into the impact of orbital structures burning up in the atmosphere when a company or organization is designing something to be put into orbit.

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                          • drewtowler@mas.toD drewtowler@mas.to

                            @johnlogic When I bought my Starlink kit, I could not get either of those. Having invested in that kit, I'm obviously not going to ditch it. Not to mention the time spent routing cables through walls and roof voids. So whether I can _now_ get ViaSat or HughesNet is immaterial.
                            EDIT: On checking, Viasat and HughesNet have completely unacceptable latency anyway.

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                            @drewtowler ViaSat and HughesNet use few satellites in geostationary orbits, which are higher than the many disposable satellites that Starlink uses in low Earth orbit.

                            I've tried VoIP over a GEO system and the latency caused it to be marginal at best. But the latency wasn't an issue for most other uses.

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                            • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                              Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

                              Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

                              SpaceX is truly awful.

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                              @sundogplanets heard that there are 77,000 of them up there chaining in Earth or is it CAGING Earth ...🤨😡

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                              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

                                Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

                                SpaceX is truly awful.

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                                @sundogplanets Sure. Ill write it. Headline will be:

                                "Starlink: From Space to Your Face"

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                                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                  Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

                                  Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

                                  SpaceX is truly awful.

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                                  @sundogplanets

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                                  • hundhamm@muenchen.socialH hundhamm@muenchen.social

                                    @sundogplanets
                                    Already done:
                                    https://magazin.tu-braunschweig.de/en/m-post/burned-up-satellite-debris-could-deplete-ozone-layer/

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                                    @hundhamm @sundogplanets
                                    It is so painful since didn't we fix the hole in the ozone just a little while back and now this absolute troglodyte billionare is like, "Hold my beer, I can fuck that up faster than the industries before me."

                                    Every billionare should lose first their wealth and then their freedom, and finally their ability to breathe for the crimes they have commited against everyone and everything on this planet.

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                                    • foxxtrot@dice.campF foxxtrot@dice.camp

                                      @simon @sundogplanets IPO on June 9. Gotta get all the material out to ensure this is a massive flop by then.

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                                      @foxxtrot @simon @sundogplanets I’m not sure that will work. Starlink is ideal for billionaires and criminals to avoid regulation and taxation.

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                                      • hiisikoloart@writing.exchangeH hiisikoloart@writing.exchange

                                        @hundhamm @sundogplanets
                                        It is so painful since didn't we fix the hole in the ozone just a little while back and now this absolute troglodyte billionare is like, "Hold my beer, I can fuck that up faster than the industries before me."

                                        Every billionare should lose first their wealth and then their freedom, and finally their ability to breathe for the crimes they have commited against everyone and everything on this planet.

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                                        @hiisikoloart
                                        @sundogplanets

                                        Painful, yes.

                                        But it’s all of us.

                                        Of course China will want a global network. And Europe will want a free internet as well—only for self-defense.

                                        We are killing ourselves with dead dinosaurs and communication debris.

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                                        • johnlogic@sfba.socialJ johnlogic@sfba.social

                                          @drewtowler ViaSat and HughesNet use few satellites in geostationary orbits, which are higher than the many disposable satellites that Starlink uses in low Earth orbit.

                                          I've tried VoIP over a GEO system and the latency caused it to be marginal at best. But the latency wasn't an issue for most other uses.

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                                          @johnlogic It would be unworkable for me.

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