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  3. Reminder that this isn't "disrupting" the romance industry; it's' a spammer's grift targeting Amazon's payment plan for Kindle Unlimited loans, which pays per page read.

Reminder that this isn't "disrupting" the romance industry; it's' a spammer's grift targeting Amazon's payment plan for Kindle Unlimited loans, which pays per page read.

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  • cstross@wandering.shopC This user is from outside of this forum
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    RE: https://mstdn.social/@Mediagazer/116039970902809253

    Reminder that this isn't "disrupting" the romance industry; it's' a spammer's grift targeting Amazon's payment plan for Kindle Unlimited loans, which pays per page read. The perp's ebooks actually average less than 250 loans/sales per book, 1-2 orders of magnitude lower than a real human-written book. (It would probably also be possible to use a bot to generate accounts on amazon to defraud KU this way, like click-fraud in google/FB ads a decade ago.)

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    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

      RE: https://mstdn.social/@Mediagazer/116039970902809253

      Reminder that this isn't "disrupting" the romance industry; it's' a spammer's grift targeting Amazon's payment plan for Kindle Unlimited loans, which pays per page read. The perp's ebooks actually average less than 250 loans/sales per book, 1-2 orders of magnitude lower than a real human-written book. (It would probably also be possible to use a bot to generate accounts on amazon to defraud KU this way, like click-fraud in google/FB ads a decade ago.)

      mms@mastodon.bsd.cafeM This user is from outside of this forum
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      @cstross How do you see it play for writers? Finding something worth reading was already difficult (unless you go with classics) but now how do one gets enough following for people to actually find their work?

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      • mms@mastodon.bsd.cafeM mms@mastodon.bsd.cafe

        @cstross How do you see it play for writers? Finding something worth reading was already difficult (unless you go with classics) but now how do one gets enough following for people to actually find their work?

        cstross@wandering.shopC This user is from outside of this forum
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        @mms AI is not a threat to real writers. The same problems apply as always, with the same solution: get an agent, get a trad publishing deal, get marketed. Only instead of starting out via short fiction in the pulps/monthly magazines, there are other on-ramps; web serials, patreons, self-pub with web serials/patreons to generate paying customers, then self-pub sales to get big agent/publisher attention (if you want them).

        It's a business, same as it's always been. And this is just another scam.

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          RE: https://mstdn.social/@Mediagazer/116039970902809253

          Reminder that this isn't "disrupting" the romance industry; it's' a spammer's grift targeting Amazon's payment plan for Kindle Unlimited loans, which pays per page read. The perp's ebooks actually average less than 250 loans/sales per book, 1-2 orders of magnitude lower than a real human-written book. (It would probably also be possible to use a bot to generate accounts on amazon to defraud KU this way, like click-fraud in google/FB ads a decade ago.)

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          @cstross Do you mean that these mostly get people to loan/buy/read them by flooding the selection potential readers are presented with?
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            RE: https://mstdn.social/@Mediagazer/116039970902809253

            Reminder that this isn't "disrupting" the romance industry; it's' a spammer's grift targeting Amazon's payment plan for Kindle Unlimited loans, which pays per page read. The perp's ebooks actually average less than 250 loans/sales per book, 1-2 orders of magnitude lower than a real human-written book. (It would probably also be possible to use a bot to generate accounts on amazon to defraud KU this way, like click-fraud in google/FB ads a decade ago.)

            di4na@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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            @cstross also it was already a known attack through bad "anthologies" iirc?

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            • robryk@social.wuatek.isR robryk@social.wuatek.is
              @cstross Do you mean that these mostly get people to loan/buy/read them by flooding the selection potential readers are presented with?
              cstross@wandering.shopC This user is from outside of this forum
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              @robryk Yes. But also: KU gives you up to 20 loans simultaneously, no minimum/maximum duration, for a flat $10 a month. So readers who don't want slop and accidentally get slop may idly flip pages before they hit the "return to KU" button and try a different book. Which is the grifter's pay-off. Publishing lots of titles under many names simply games the rec algorithm (which includes some random new titles along with some from popular authors).

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              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                RE: https://mstdn.social/@Mediagazer/116039970902809253

                Reminder that this isn't "disrupting" the romance industry; it's' a spammer's grift targeting Amazon's payment plan for Kindle Unlimited loans, which pays per page read. The perp's ebooks actually average less than 250 loans/sales per book, 1-2 orders of magnitude lower than a real human-written book. (It would probably also be possible to use a bot to generate accounts on amazon to defraud KU this way, like click-fraud in google/FB ads a decade ago.)

                ratsnakegames@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                @cstross "failing to disclose" sounds like there is no intent behind it.

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  @mms AI is not a threat to real writers. The same problems apply as always, with the same solution: get an agent, get a trad publishing deal, get marketed. Only instead of starting out via short fiction in the pulps/monthly magazines, there are other on-ramps; web serials, patreons, self-pub with web serials/patreons to generate paying customers, then self-pub sales to get big agent/publisher attention (if you want them).

                  It's a business, same as it's always been. And this is just another scam.

                  mms@mastodon.bsd.cafeM This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @cstross Thanks! That brings hope

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