im confused about why android and mobile platforms in general are so hellbent on not letting you manage your own file system.
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@briellebouquet Because Steve Jobs hated having more than one button on things.
No really, the iPhone was designed at every turn to minimize the "computer" aspect of the computing device, and that includes obfuscating the file system in favor of the global media interface, and the Android UX was designed to imitate every part of Apple's.
@SymTrkl @briellebouquet Exactly this. They thought the average user would be confused by a file system so they killed it for everyone.
But also, its so they can have more control. Its so its harder to do things with your phone like load it with your own music and videos without giving them more money for a streaming app. Its so its harder to use programs that aren't sold through their app stores that take a huge cut of all sales.
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@SymTrkl yeah. that sounds right. i guess im still pissy at firefox though. they dont have obligations to apple or pointlessly bad design choices.
@briellebouquet They really don't, and that isn't forced on them by the OS, because Opera gives you those options. (And your very own slop generator, because we can't have nice things.)
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@briellebouquet They really don't, and that isn't forced on them by the OS, because Opera gives you those options. (And your very own slop generator, because we can't have nice things.)
@SymTrkl
is opera otherwise okay? i remember there being something bleh about them aside from LLM integration but maybe im lumping it in with brave -
@SymTrkl
is opera otherwise okay? i remember there being something bleh about them aside from LLM integration but maybe im lumping it in with brave@briellebouquet It's okay. I don't use it often enough to know what the adblocking options are, but I think they're there, and it works pretty well for general browser shit. Plus it's Chromium so most of the web is basically built to run okay in it and it alone.
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im confused about why android and mobile platforms in general are so hellbent on not letting you manage your own file system. there isnt a setting in firefox for "ask where to save file" when downloading and, like, why
@briellebouquet because the entire mobile platform is built on making users unaware that filesystems exist
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@briellebouquet because the entire mobile platform is built on making users unaware that filesystems exist
@freya @briellebouquet yes, and not even just about filesystems. They dumb the systems down while also skipping writing a manual, making it a pain for everyone above or below the average tech literacy.
It's something that greatly pisses me off, and it seems that Big Tech want to bring that bullshit to desktops and laptops too, see Chromebooks and Windows 11.
It's something I want to fix with #Kittyscript and the operating system I want to develop on top of it (tentative name: KittyOS). It will be designed to be programmable by every user. It will ship with an IDE with a built-in beginner tutorial. Applications will be scriptable, and scripts and plugins can be shared by users.
The only thing holding me back is my ADHD executive dysfunction
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@freya @briellebouquet yes, and not even just about filesystems. They dumb the systems down while also skipping writing a manual, making it a pain for everyone above or below the average tech literacy.
It's something that greatly pisses me off, and it seems that Big Tech want to bring that bullshit to desktops and laptops too, see Chromebooks and Windows 11.
It's something I want to fix with #Kittyscript and the operating system I want to develop on top of it (tentative name: KittyOS). It will be designed to be programmable by every user. It will ship with an IDE with a built-in beginner tutorial. Applications will be scriptable, and scripts and plugins can be shared by users.
The only thing holding me back is my ADHD executive dysfunction@LunaDragofelis @briellebouquet omg that is such a cool idea
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@freya @briellebouquet yes, and not even just about filesystems. They dumb the systems down while also skipping writing a manual, making it a pain for everyone above or below the average tech literacy.
It's something that greatly pisses me off, and it seems that Big Tech want to bring that bullshit to desktops and laptops too, see Chromebooks and Windows 11.
It's something I want to fix with #Kittyscript and the operating system I want to develop on top of it (tentative name: KittyOS). It will be designed to be programmable by every user. It will ship with an IDE with a built-in beginner tutorial. Applications will be scriptable, and scripts and plugins can be shared by users.
The only thing holding me back is my ADHD executive dysfunction@LunaDragofelis @freya that would be lovely
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@briellebouquet because the entire mobile platform is built on making users unaware that filesystems exist
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In my experience anyways, for the most part this actually isn't the case with Android which is still very reliant on knowing how files work. I have genuinely had to upload something on Android for someone who was previously an iPhone user before because their web browser, as most do on Android, actually pointed them to a full file manager to choose said file rather than the abstracted "pictures" of iOS. It is also more than possible in many apps on Android to choose where they save files. Firefox is just a bizarre outlier.
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im confused about why android and mobile platforms in general are so hellbent on not letting you manage your own file system. there isnt a setting in firefox for "ask where to save file" when downloading and, like, why
@briellebouquet I would say the intention behind this is security, avoiding one app dropping code into another apps directory and exploiting it that way, like a game app dropping code into your banking app to send your account info to an attacker. When all apps are sandboxed in their separate file system partitions, a large attack surface (and also a large chance for user errors) is entirely avoided.
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@briellebouquet I would say the intention behind this is security, avoiding one app dropping code into another apps directory and exploiting it that way, like a game app dropping code into your banking app to send your account info to an attacker. When all apps are sandboxed in their separate file system partitions, a large attack surface (and also a large chance for user errors) is entirely avoided.
@rainbowdragon sure, but at a certain point we're limiting the use cases for these $1000+ mobile phones to banking, checking email, and functionaries for sending netflix, paramount+, hbo, crave, and spotify $20 each every month. whereas i'd like to use my pocket computer to play SNES ROMs, and it's a massive hassle bc i literally have to save ROMs to a default folder (downloads) then move them all manually to another folder so as to not egregiously clutter up my downloads folder
like sure, average user something something. but at least allow the *option* for people who kinda know what they're doing to not have to run a gauntlet to do very basic computer things that people have been doing since the first GUIs
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