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  3. For people who are concerned about having their devices seized at the US border starting Monday when ICE "assists" the TSA, EFF has this guide: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/journalist-security-checklist-preparing-devices-travel-through-us-border

For people who are concerned about having their devices seized at the US border starting Monday when ICE "assists" the TSA, EFF has this guide: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/journalist-security-checklist-preparing-devices-travel-through-us-border

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  • d3adpaul@mastodon.socialD d3adpaul@mastodon.social

    @evacide duress codes, play dumb "It was working when I handed it to you,. my password is my DOB..what did you do officer? why is my phone broken?"

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    @d3adpaul@mastodon.social @evacide@hachyderm.io
    That would be good, if there isn't a thing "tampering of evidence".
    Duress code is good only for wiping your device before they lay hands on your device.
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    • orca@nya.oneO orca@nya.one
      @d3adpaul@mastodon.social @evacide@hachyderm.io
      That would be good, if there isn't a thing "tampering of evidence".
      Duress code is good only for wiping your device before they lay hands on your device.
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      @Orca @evacide very hard to prove you tampered with evidence if you had over a perfectly good phone and they input your password and it's nuked. good luck proving it wasn't their incompetence.

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      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

        For people who are concerned about having their devices seized at US airports starting Monday when ICE "assists" the TSA, EFF has this guide: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/journalist-security-checklist-preparing-devices-travel-through-us-border

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        @evacide Interesting...

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        • d3adpaul@mastodon.socialD d3adpaul@mastodon.social

          @Orca @evacide very hard to prove you tampered with evidence if you had over a perfectly good phone and they input your password and it's nuked. good luck proving it wasn't their incompetence.

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          @d3adpaul@mastodon.social @evacide@hachyderm.io
          How is it hard? Law enforcement organizations have standard procedures of dealing with seized devices, they're not going to own it to incompetence if you told them a code and the code break the OS.

          Also competent law enforcement organizations likely already knows what will happen if a duress password is entered (what happens immediately, and after a while) for a OS that's provided in public. They would have proof of you tampering with evidence if your device functions exactly like it has duress feature activated, after entering your password.
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          • orca@nya.oneO orca@nya.one
            @d3adpaul@mastodon.social @evacide@hachyderm.io
            How is it hard? Law enforcement organizations have standard procedures of dealing with seized devices, they're not going to own it to incompetence if you told them a code and the code break the OS.

            Also competent law enforcement organizations likely already knows what will happen if a duress password is entered (what happens immediately, and after a while) for a OS that's provided in public. They would have proof of you tampering with evidence if your device functions exactly like it has duress feature activated, after entering your password.
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            @Orca @evacide you can send duress via sms too and I think in practice enforcement is nowhere near that competent. before it ever gets to a techie it passes through a bunch of beat cops.

            an besides prove it to a judge.

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            • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

              For people who are concerned about having their devices seized at US airports starting Monday when ICE "assists" the TSA, EFF has this guide: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/journalist-security-checklist-preparing-devices-travel-through-us-border

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              @evacide I see so many reasons just to not go at all.

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              • d3adpaul@mastodon.socialD d3adpaul@mastodon.social

                @Orca @evacide you can send duress via sms too and I think in practice enforcement is nowhere near that competent. before it ever gets to a techie it passes through a bunch of beat cops.

                an besides prove it to a judge.

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                @d3adpaul@mastodon.social @evacide@hachyderm.io
                Oops.
                One of the standard practice of LE is: they would put the devices into farady bags the second they seized it.
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                • orca@nya.oneO orca@nya.one
                  @d3adpaul@mastodon.social @evacide@hachyderm.io
                  Oops.
                  One of the standard practice of LE is: they would put the devices into farady bags the second they seized it.
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                  @d3adpaul@mastodon.social @evacide@hachyderm.io They don't give it to the techies immediately. They follow whatever the techies said until they can hand it to the techies.
                  That's called cooperation.
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                  • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                    For people who are concerned about having their devices seized at US airports starting Monday when ICE "assists" the TSA, EFF has this guide: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/journalist-security-checklist-preparing-devices-travel-through-us-border

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                    @evacide All ☝️

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                    • bazcook@mas.toB bazcook@mas.to

                      @evacide - a significant number of Canadians have resolved the problem by stopping going into the country at all. This action by Canadians alone has cost the USA tens of millions.

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                      @bazcook @evacide And you are right doing so... Honestly, who wants travelling to the current top hated country in the world? #StupidTrump

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                      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                        For people who are concerned about having their devices seized at US airports starting Monday when ICE "assists" the TSA, EFF has this guide: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/journalist-security-checklist-preparing-devices-travel-through-us-border

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                        @evacide
                        The Land of the Free now has many new rules that don't exactly sing of freedom.

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                        NMAH | The Lyrics

                        Francis Scott Key completed four verses and copied them onto a sheet of paper, probably making more than one copy.

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                        • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                          For people who are concerned about having their devices seized at US airports starting Monday when ICE "assists" the TSA, EFF has this guide: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/journalist-security-checklist-preparing-devices-travel-through-us-border

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                          @evacide In regards to the "uploading sensitive documents to the cloud, " please encrypt that data first. Either put them in a folder and password protect it, or encrypt it using other means.

                          I say this because cloud services can and do keep your data indefinitely (looking at you Google,) and there is no point giving them data they can read (especially sensitive stuff.)

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                          • d3adpaul@mastodon.socialD d3adpaul@mastodon.social

                            @evacide duress codes, play dumb "It was working when I handed it to you,. my password is my DOB..what did you do officer? why is my phone broken?"

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                            @d3adpaul @evacide Bad move, if you play dumb, they can play dumber, and you can’t win when a state apparatus plays dumb.
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                            • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                              For people who are concerned about having their devices seized at US airports starting Monday when ICE "assists" the TSA, EFF has this guide: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/journalist-security-checklist-preparing-devices-travel-through-us-border

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                              @evacide alternate solution: Take Amtrak 😛

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                              • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                For people who are concerned about having their devices seized at US airports starting Monday when ICE "assists" the TSA, EFF has this guide: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/journalist-security-checklist-preparing-devices-travel-through-us-border

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                                @evacide

                                Good I have currently no plans to visit US: After reading through I decided to double check it talks about US, not China. But guess at Border Control the difference for non US residents might not be that different nowadays.

                                I would for both countries take a dedicated and prepared phone (other devices alike).

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                                • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                  For people who are concerned about having their devices seized at US airports starting Monday when ICE "assists" the TSA, EFF has this guide: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/journalist-security-checklist-preparing-devices-travel-through-us-border

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                                  @evacide The most important tip from my PoV:

                                  Bring as few sensitive devices as possible — only what you need.

                                  Why? You should discard any device you travelled with into the U.S. upon returning.

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                                  • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

                                    @evacide The most important tip from my PoV:

                                    Bring as few sensitive devices as possible — only what you need.

                                    Why? You should discard any device you travelled with into the U.S. upon returning.

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                                    @masek Because not everyone has the money to buy brand new devices every time they travel.

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                                    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                      @masek Because not everyone has the money to buy brand new devices every time they travel.

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                                      @evacide I know that my statement sounds harsh. I do not like to cause people discomfort. But I see no alternative.

                                      If you your own data security is important to you, especially if the current administration might look negatively upon your environments activity, this is the only way.

                                      That is why I avoid travel to such countries as much as possible.

                                      A few years back, I had to travel to a country, where the government was "not a nice one" and also not known for fair play. Luckily it was only for a few days.

                                      So I ditched my smartphone and switched to a $25 dumb phone for the trip. I bought a used $100 tablet as disposable internet device and sold it for $50 before I left. So the costs were bearable. Of course I felt severely limited during that time.

                                      I know that people on tight budget may find those costs prohibitive already.

                                      But be aware: you may loose your device anyway if the border agent wishes so, even if you are innocent of everything. That is nothing you can control. They do not care that you cannot afford a new device.

                                      Another important thought (at least for me): I do not bear the risk alone. As I may work or be friends with people on the administrations shit list, any leak on my side may cause them harm. That thought scares me most.

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                                      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                                        For people who are concerned about having their devices seized at US airports starting Monday when ICE "assists" the TSA, EFF has this guide: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/journalist-security-checklist-preparing-devices-travel-through-us-border

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                                        @evacide

                                        That is a hard "NOPE".

                                        Traveling with brown skin, I would rather drive a week long road trip than go near an airport.

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                                        • heathen_cat@furs.socialH heathen_cat@furs.social

                                          @natharari @evacide
                                          Ask most black people if they remember that time. I don't mean this as a "gotcha", the country has always been like this, it's just affecting white people more now.

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                                          @heathen_cat @evacide

                                          Agreed. It was always aspirational - no disagreement there. But people visiting the US from abroad in the 1980s and 1990s would never have thought to themselves: "They might detain me for something that I wrote that disparages Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, or Bill Clinton, so I better hide that." You can add Ford and Carter to that list as well. Hell, even George W. Bush wouldn't have done that.

                                          That just wasn't a concern.

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