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The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.

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  • fynn@digitalcourage.socialF fynn@digitalcourage.social

    @fdroidorg @marcprux
    I did use the means on https://keepandroidopen.org to reach out. However, I am not convinced it will change the course Alphabet/Google set for Android.
    Therefore I preordered the new #jollaphone with Sailfish OS and AndroidAppSupport.
    Maybe it is time for Linux to shine on mobile as well. May it be #sailfishos, #postmarketos, #ubuntutouch or another Linux mobile OS. And Android emulators like #WayDroid .

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    wrote last edited by
    #73

    @Fynn @fdroidorg @marcprux Android has lost its appeal to me as a target for development. I also may order a Jolla Phone at home point, but I need to be sure that my banking apps work with it.

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    • fdroidorg@floss.socialF fdroidorg@floss.social

      The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.

      If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.

      https://keepandroidopen.org/ (thanks @marcprux) has the resources to guide you.

      We know users will rarely visit the site so the Client(s) will get a banner soon too.

      Thank you for your support!

      tourma@tech.lgbtT This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote last edited by
      #74

      @fdroidorg
      Ugh, looks like I might be using /e/OS sooner than expected.

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      • fisk@little.tinypuppy.dogF fisk@little.tinypuppy.dog
        @fdroidorg @marcprux its a good thing actually as the main thing it affects is intimate partner violence stalking and really low hanging fruit malware. you can literally still sideload, you just cant distribute apks anonymously. you can still modify a phone to remove the restriction, just not without the owner noticing, which is the actual point. this is completely out of touch with the reality of the android malware ecosystem, the harm it causes and why they are actually doing this.
        2something@transfem.social2 This user is from outside of this forum
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        #75

        @fisk@little.tinypuppy.dog @fdroidorg@floss.social @marcprux@mastodon.social

        The top grossing apps on Google Play in the U.S. are
        1) Spyware and adware
        2) Spyware and adware
        3) Spyware and adware
        4) Spyware and adware and rootkit
        5) Spyware and adware
        6) Spyware and adware and rootkit

        I have a really hard time believing it's about "malware."

        Also, how do you modify a phone to remove this restriction, assuming the manufacturer doesn't let you unlock the bootloader (as most don't)?

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        • fdroidorg@floss.socialF fdroidorg@floss.social

          The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.

          If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.

          https://keepandroidopen.org/ (thanks @marcprux) has the resources to guide you.

          We know users will rarely visit the site so the Client(s) will get a banner soon too.

          Thank you for your support!

          moin@gruene.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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          moin@gruene.social
          wrote last edited by
          #76

          @fdroidorg
          Thank you for your amazing work. For me its time to switch to Linux in under 200 days.

          @marcprux

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          • 2something@transfem.social2 2something@transfem.social

            @fisk@little.tinypuppy.dog @fdroidorg@floss.social @marcprux@mastodon.social

            The top grossing apps on Google Play in the U.S. are
            1) Spyware and adware
            2) Spyware and adware
            3) Spyware and adware
            4) Spyware and adware and rootkit
            5) Spyware and adware
            6) Spyware and adware and rootkit

            I have a really hard time believing it's about "malware."

            Also, how do you modify a phone to remove this restriction, assuming the manufacturer doesn't let you unlock the bootloader (as most don't)?

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            #77
            @2something @fdroidorg @marcprux 1. I believe that it's specifically about stalkerware that gets distributed as sideloaded, anonymously signed APKs to avoid detection by Google Play Protect. I think this change will have a significant positive impact on the stalkerware market and result in a reduction in technology-facilitated intimate partner violence, making it a worthy tradeoff. Most open-source projects are not developed anonymously, and if developers don't want to get a certificate, nothing stops a third-party marketplace like F-Droid from building a signed, distributable APK for them. The same people complaining about this have already built the solution. "I'm altering the deal, pray I don't alter it further" just feels entitled and missing the point entirely.
            2. I would specifically get a phone with an unlocked bootloader, because I want to run free and open source software on it, as I already have. I don't want other people tampering with my phone and requiring messing with the bootloader and performing a factory reset (which i would notice) to sideload untrusted apps is a security feature I want.

            If you don't like it, try coming up with a better solution, or you know, try doing some work with victims of stalking by intimate partners to realize it is actually a much bigger problem for them than whatever spying Google Play Services is doing. Have a good day.
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            • fdroidorg@floss.socialF fdroidorg@floss.social

              The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.

              If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.

              https://keepandroidopen.org/ (thanks @marcprux) has the resources to guide you.

              We know users will rarely visit the site so the Client(s) will get a banner soon too.

              Thank you for your support!

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              #78

              @fdroidorg i hope @shiftphones has planned for this already

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              • fdroidorg@floss.socialF fdroidorg@floss.social

                The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.

                If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.

                https://keepandroidopen.org/ (thanks @marcprux) has the resources to guide you.

                We know users will rarely visit the site so the Client(s) will get a banner soon too.

                Thank you for your support!

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                #79

                We don't have representatives, we live in capitalism. All those elected to run government represent multinational industries and their federation, banks and financial institutions. We are their enemy, they are not going to listen.

                Unless....

                We force them to listen

                @fdroidorg @marcprux

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                • fdroidorg@floss.socialF fdroidorg@floss.social

                  The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.

                  If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.

                  https://keepandroidopen.org/ (thanks @marcprux) has the resources to guide you.

                  We know users will rarely visit the site so the Client(s) will get a banner soon too.

                  Thank you for your support!

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                  wrote last edited by
                  #80

                  You have to know how to make a report correctly. It's not for average doomscroller.

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                  • fdroidorg@floss.socialF fdroidorg@floss.social

                    @crazyeddie Is the "United States" section is not enough, we might need some better pointers.

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                    #81

                    @fdroidorg @crazyeddie

                    What @crazyeddie is trying to say: standing up for openness, freedom, and the right to choose your own tools only makes sense in a society where openness, freedom, rights or even rational discourse still have any meaning at all. The US is probably no longer such a society.

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                    • jsbilsbrough@mastodon.me.ukJ jsbilsbrough@mastodon.me.uk

                      @fdroidorg hey gang, I host @crossed, would anyone from the F-Droid team like to come chat to us about this and why this fundamentally breaks the Android promise?

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                      #82

                      @jsbilsbrough @fdroidorg I'd be happy to chat. Message or email me and we can set up a time.

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                      • nicolaottomano@mastodon.unoN nicolaottomano@mastodon.uno

                        @fdroidorg @marcprux

                        Tagging @EUCommission

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                        #83
                        @nicolaottomano Oh, that'll work. 😉
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                        • fdroidorg@floss.socialF fdroidorg@floss.social

                          The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.

                          If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.

                          https://keepandroidopen.org/ (thanks @marcprux) has the resources to guide you.

                          We know users will rarely visit the site so the Client(s) will get a banner soon too.

                          Thank you for your support!

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                          fbinin@mastodon.fbin.in
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                          #84

                          @fdroidorg @marcprux
                          https://mastodon.fbin.in/@fbinin/116087580182508496

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                          • fdroidorg@floss.socialF fdroidorg@floss.social

                            The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.

                            If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.

                            https://keepandroidopen.org/ (thanks @marcprux) has the resources to guide you.

                            We know users will rarely visit the site so the Client(s) will get a banner soon too.

                            Thank you for your support!

                            jay@mastodon.gamedev.placeJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            jay@mastodon.gamedev.place
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                            #85

                            @fdroidorg @marcprux

                            If Google doesn't want to place nice, I suppose we have options...

                            Huawei HarmonyOS: https://www.harmonyos.com/en/
                            Samsung TizenOS: https://samsungtizenos.com/

                            Perhaps an Android exodus would scare Google enough to backtrack on the registration agenda.

                            #KeepAndroidOpen

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                            • fdroidorg@floss.socialF fdroidorg@floss.social

                              The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.

                              If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.

                              https://keepandroidopen.org/ (thanks @marcprux) has the resources to guide you.

                              We know users will rarely visit the site so the Client(s) will get a banner soon too.

                              Thank you for your support!

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                              wrote last edited by
                              #86

                              @fdroidorg@floss.social I live in China. We don't have representatives to contact. Even Google doesn't provide service to users here directly. Please do NOT show the useless header to users from China. I love F-Droid and FOSS in general but the header would be useless and annoying.

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                              • es0mhi@tilde.zoneE es0mhi@tilde.zone

                                @fdroidorg @crazyeddie

                                What @crazyeddie is trying to say: standing up for openness, freedom, and the right to choose your own tools only makes sense in a society where openness, freedom, rights or even rational discourse still have any meaning at all. The US is probably no longer such a society.

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                                #87

                                @es0mhi @fdroidorg I was really just asking what I should post to the "report a violation" form.

                                I actually looked on the site some after and there's actually nothing. There's no way for someone in the US to petition anyone about this. Can send to congressmen to try to get it worked out later maybe... 😛

                                The sad fact is there's no law being violated here that I know of. Can't report a violation if there isn't one.

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                                • fdroidorg@floss.socialF fdroidorg@floss.social

                                  The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.

                                  If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.

                                  https://keepandroidopen.org/ (thanks @marcprux) has the resources to guide you.

                                  We know users will rarely visit the site so the Client(s) will get a banner soon too.

                                  Thank you for your support!

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                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #88

                                  @fdroidorg@floss.social @marcprux@mastodon.social i just want big brother not watching everyone's every move, holy hell.
                                  i only use g
                                  gle services because of how popular they are, while minimizing what ggle i use

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                                  • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                                    @es0mhi @fdroidorg I was really just asking what I should post to the "report a violation" form.

                                    I actually looked on the site some after and there's actually nothing. There's no way for someone in the US to petition anyone about this. Can send to congressmen to try to get it worked out later maybe... 😛

                                    The sad fact is there's no law being violated here that I know of. Can't report a violation if there isn't one.

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                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #89

                                    @crazyeddie @fdroidorg

                                    Thank you for the clarification and apologies for my misinterpretation.

                                    I have no idea about the legal situation in the US. But perhaps the fact that you can see no ground for action against this unscrupulousness, shows what we are dealing with: a (capitalist) system that has become completely detached from the true interests of its members, unchallengeable and without alternative

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                                    • fdroidorg@floss.socialF fdroidorg@floss.social

                                      The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.

                                      If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.

                                      https://keepandroidopen.org/ (thanks @marcprux) has the resources to guide you.

                                      We know users will rarely visit the site so the Client(s) will get a banner soon too.

                                      Thank you for your support!

                                      v_d_richards@literatur.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #90

                                      @fdroidorg @marcprux

                                      Does anyone know how this affects phones that already have F-Droid and apps from there installed?

                                      Will some Android/Google Update make them stop working all of a sudden? Or not let me update them anymore? Or will this affect only future Android versions?

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                                      • preuk@framapiaf.orgP preuk@framapiaf.org

                                        @fdroidorg @marcprux
                                        Got a quick answer from EU's DMA Team, they might have a standard response due to high demand :

                                        > Dear citizen,
                                        >
                                        > Thank you for contacting us and sharing your concerns regarding the impact of Google’s plans to introduce a developer verification process on Android. We appreciate that you have chosen to contact us, as we welcome feedback from interested parties.
                                        ... 1/N

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                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #91

                                        @Preuk @fdroidorg @marcprux

                                        Can you give me a link where you contacted in the EU and how? I am a bit overwhelmed on where to report my concerns.

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                                        • v_d_richards@literatur.socialV v_d_richards@literatur.social

                                          @Preuk @fdroidorg @marcprux

                                          Can you give me a link where you contacted in the EU and how? I am a bit overwhelmed on where to report my concerns.

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                                          #92

                                          @v_d_richards @Preuk https://keepandroidopen.org/ ?

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