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@rhizomancer@mastodon.social @madeindex Ah right, these kind of communists. Forgot about those!
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@rl_dane Good to know!
PS Tankies hahahaha love the name
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
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Real question:Sometimes I read negative comments about #Lemmy or even calls to defederate...
Why do some people on the #Fediverse feel so strongly about Lemmy?
Isn't an #opensource alternative to #Reddit a good thing?
@madeindex Most notable controversy I'm aware of was a hard-coded slur filter: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622
This was years ago and AFAIK is now completely optional. The initial stance of the devs rubbed many people wrong and some people might still hold a grudge.
Also there seem people not liking that the lemmy devs themselves hosting lemmy.ml
Not sure about possible political stances of lemmy devs?
Similar in the Mastodon world where Pleroma seems to get (or was getting?) a lot of heat. Not up-to-date in that regard. I liked that Pleroma was so lightweight compared to Mastodon. Tried self-hosting and had the impression that other instance sometimes automatically blocked based on the instance beeing Pleroma. IIRC it was mostly about the dev(s) behind Pleroma. Honestly don't know and decided to not self-host Mastodon at all.
Lemmy development is (was?) at least partially (or mainly?) funded by NLnet foundation. They seem to be legit and do a lot of good. I would assume they vetted the project to fund them.
At the end of the day the Lemmy ecosystem is like the Mastodon ecosystem IMO. It depends on what instance you are on. Plenty of bad instances in both worlds. I like Lemmy as a Reddit alternative. Can't wait for 1.0 to drop. RC already out and publicly available. Looks promising.
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Real question:
Sometimes I read negative comments about #Lemmy or even calls to defederate...
Why do some people on the #Fediverse feel so strongly about Lemmy?
Isn't an #opensource alternative to #Reddit a good thing?
@madeindex maybe a little bit offtopic but:
When I asked a really good friend of mine (former reddit user) why he is using Lemmy instead of Mastodon, he told me that he prefers to follow "topics" instead of "people"
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@madeindex Most notable controversy I'm aware of was a hard-coded slur filter: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622
This was years ago and AFAIK is now completely optional. The initial stance of the devs rubbed many people wrong and some people might still hold a grudge.
Also there seem people not liking that the lemmy devs themselves hosting lemmy.ml
Not sure about possible political stances of lemmy devs?
Similar in the Mastodon world where Pleroma seems to get (or was getting?) a lot of heat. Not up-to-date in that regard. I liked that Pleroma was so lightweight compared to Mastodon. Tried self-hosting and had the impression that other instance sometimes automatically blocked based on the instance beeing Pleroma. IIRC it was mostly about the dev(s) behind Pleroma. Honestly don't know and decided to not self-host Mastodon at all.
Lemmy development is (was?) at least partially (or mainly?) funded by NLnet foundation. They seem to be legit and do a lot of good. I would assume they vetted the project to fund them.
At the end of the day the Lemmy ecosystem is like the Mastodon ecosystem IMO. It depends on what instance you are on. Plenty of bad instances in both worlds. I like Lemmy as a Reddit alternative. Can't wait for 1.0 to drop. RC already out and publicly available. Looks promising.
@fsoc Thank you very much for the elaborate explanation and background information!
Pleroma has a nice design, will look into it more
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@madeindex maybe a little bit offtopic but:
When I asked a really good friend of mine (former reddit user) why he is using Lemmy instead of Mastodon, he told me that he prefers to follow "topics" instead of "people"
@timmoe85 That is a very good point, might also be a difference in the content display preferences by the communities.
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Real question:
Sometimes I read negative comments about #Lemmy or even calls to defederate...
Why do some people on the #Fediverse feel so strongly about Lemmy?
Isn't an #opensource alternative to #Reddit a good thing?
@madeindex The main aversion I ever saw was for some reason Lemmy could be very heavy load wise. One of the instances I used to be on had to defederate not due to any maliciousness, but due to it choking out our instance (and I dunno if it was high messaging rate or blowing out the storage or what). -
@madeindex The main aversion I ever saw was for some reason Lemmy could be very heavy load wise. One of the instances I used to be on had to defederate not due to any maliciousness, but due to it choking out our instance (and I dunno if it was high messaging rate or blowing out the storage or what).
@growfediverse That might explain the calls for defederation! Thank you for sharing
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@fsoc Thank you very much for the elaborate explanation and background information!
Pleroma has a nice design, will look into it more
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleroma_(software)@madeindex You can also take a look at the Pleroma fork Akkoma https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/
Be aware that the more you get away from the main projects Mastodon > Pleroma > Akkoma the smaller the dev community gets. Not saying the smaller projects are less safe, but usually bigger projects get more eyes on their source code.
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@madeindex You can also take a look at the Pleroma fork Akkoma https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/
Be aware that the more you get away from the main projects Mastodon > Pleroma > Akkoma the smaller the dev community gets. Not saying the smaller projects are less safe, but usually bigger projects get more eyes on their source code.
@fsoc great point, will do that
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@rl_dane @madeindex since Lemmy is decentralised, there are more instances beyond the original one, isn't that largely irrelevant?
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@madeindex Most notable controversy I'm aware of was a hard-coded slur filter: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622
This was years ago and AFAIK is now completely optional. The initial stance of the devs rubbed many people wrong and some people might still hold a grudge.
Also there seem people not liking that the lemmy devs themselves hosting lemmy.ml
Not sure about possible political stances of lemmy devs?
Similar in the Mastodon world where Pleroma seems to get (or was getting?) a lot of heat. Not up-to-date in that regard. I liked that Pleroma was so lightweight compared to Mastodon. Tried self-hosting and had the impression that other instance sometimes automatically blocked based on the instance beeing Pleroma. IIRC it was mostly about the dev(s) behind Pleroma. Honestly don't know and decided to not self-host Mastodon at all.
Lemmy development is (was?) at least partially (or mainly?) funded by NLnet foundation. They seem to be legit and do a lot of good. I would assume they vetted the project to fund them.
At the end of the day the Lemmy ecosystem is like the Mastodon ecosystem IMO. It depends on what instance you are on. Plenty of bad instances in both worlds. I like Lemmy as a Reddit alternative. Can't wait for 1.0 to drop. RC already out and publicly available. Looks promising.
@fsoc@infosec.exchange @madeindex@mastodon.social I guess the most notable controversy was about its devs being tankies?
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@fsoc@infosec.exchange @madeindex@mastodon.social I guess the most notable controversy was about its devs being tankies?
@mkljczk @madeindex Was not aware of that.
Tried going down that rabbit hole.
- There seem to have been a thread on Reddit which does not exist anymore (/r/Lemmy is banned in general).
- Found a discussion on lemmy.world (from 3 years ago) which does not really have any real receipts other than people calling the devs Tankies.
- The devs seem to also run (or were running) Lemmygrad.ml which seems to be at the heart of the controversy (also read that Hexbear is also associated / mentioned)
I have no idea if the devs are still connected with Lemmygrad (or if they ever were) and don't know what they have said to be called tankies.
I'm not doubting it. It can be true or not or somewhere in between.
Personally I've mostly seen their project repo and comments on github. Very direct communication but as far as I've seen there were no politics involved.
My favorite instance is hosted by dbzer0.com - pretty sure they have some controversial stances too (not their main focus, but they tolerate AI, crypto).
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Real question:
Sometimes I read negative comments about #Lemmy or even calls to defederate...
Why do some people on the #Fediverse feel so strongly about Lemmy?
Isn't an #opensource alternative to #Reddit a good thing?
@madeindex Assumes Reddit is a good thing.
I've blocked a number of Lemmy servers thanks to inane/feral posts. I.e., if everything I see from a server is something I don't want to see, I'll fix it so I don't have to see it.
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Real question:
Sometimes I read negative comments about #Lemmy or even calls to defederate...
Why do some people on the #Fediverse feel so strongly about Lemmy?
Isn't an #opensource alternative to #Reddit a good thing?
@madeindex The other replies on this thread have covered a lot of the topic and I'll also mention #threadiverse projects like PieFed and KBin/Mbin as alternatives. (I'm not close enough to any of this to have much of an opinion, however).
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@rl_dane @madeindex @patrickleavy I was initially on lemmy.ml, and holy cow that is the vibe. Constant posting about this and related issues, and angry little mobs if anyone disagrees.
Note: Someone here on masto told me a few weeks ago that *.ml instances of lemmy tend to be tanky-heavy, while others might not be.
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@rl_dane @madeindex @patrickleavy I was initially on lemmy.ml, and holy cow that is the vibe. Constant posting about this and related issues, and angry little mobs if anyone disagrees.
Note: Someone here on masto told me a few weeks ago that *.ml instances of lemmy tend to be tanky-heavy, while others might not be.
@guyjantic @rl_dane @madeindex any suggestions for less tankie instances? I joined ml as it said the focus was on digital privacy.
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@guyjantic @rl_dane @madeindex any suggestions for less tankie instances? I joined ml as it said the focus was on digital privacy.
@patrickleavy @rl_dane @madeindex I asked a few people a couple of weeks ago and got some great recommendations. One was infosec.pub, run by the same person who runs infosec.exchange (my masto instance, and I very much like it). Other suggestions included
lemmy.world
retrolemmy.com (retro tech or gaming focused)
discuss.online
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@mkljczk @madeindex Was not aware of that.
Tried going down that rabbit hole.
- There seem to have been a thread on Reddit which does not exist anymore (/r/Lemmy is banned in general).
- Found a discussion on lemmy.world (from 3 years ago) which does not really have any real receipts other than people calling the devs Tankies.
- The devs seem to also run (or were running) Lemmygrad.ml which seems to be at the heart of the controversy (also read that Hexbear is also associated / mentioned)
I have no idea if the devs are still connected with Lemmygrad (or if they ever were) and don't know what they have said to be called tankies.
I'm not doubting it. It can be true or not or somewhere in between.
Personally I've mostly seen their project repo and comments on github. Very direct communication but as far as I've seen there were no politics involved.
My favorite instance is hosted by dbzer0.com - pretty sure they have some controversial stances too (not their main focus, but they tolerate AI, crypto).
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@madeindex Assumes Reddit is a good thing.
I've blocked a number of Lemmy servers thanks to inane/feral posts. I.e., if everything I see from a server is something I don't want to see, I'll fix it so I don't have to see it.
@Corb_The_Lesser
makes sense
