#MarALago

[cascheranno@hachyderm.io]

@benroyce @RegGuy my best answer so far is something union-ish to counter the sense-of-community glue churches give. GOTV like unions and churches do.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@cascheranno @RegGuy

that model has been established:

#mamdani

corporate centrist dems fought him in the #primaries. people showed up anyways

then they positioned cuomo in the general. people showed up anyways

now we have mamdani

BECAUSE PEOPLE FUCKING VOTED

so the model?

fucking show up and #vote! get in real leftists! especially the #primaries

people whining that centrist dems suck doesn't mean shit. it's a red herring. it's a self-defeating whine

ignore centrists and replace them

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

dopes i love you. i'm not arguing with you at all. i support what you're saying 1,000%. i'm just monomaniacally focused on voting so i'm hijacking your comment. not out of disagreement, just out of my self-consuming concern

we doth both

i feel you

[macacator@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho yes, but we have at least 7 months until November. So why wait until then when we have plenty of time for some shenanigans?

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

we've already had some, but we have some more: #primaries

that is where we can make a serious difference by getting real left #candidates

and yet primary turn out is always abysmal

so anyone who says they are on the left and doesn't show up in the primaries: i doubt their authenticity

so much energy whining online, and not voting in the primaries, is gobsmackingly stupid

but also yes: we do shenanigans too as you say

[photo55@mastodon.social]

@benroyce @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho
I'm not from there, but isn't the Primary a late stage in the process?
Standing up potentials as candidates for selection in a Primary is where you get suitable people as candidates, since unsuitable people will be already in the queue, clutching the ticket price.

But I know little of the region.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@Photo55 @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

well yeah, ideally we have a system for getting solid left candidates up, but regardless, in any primary there are lefter and righter candidates

and the choice matters

and not enough make the choice

then people complain it's all centrists

well: did you show up in the primaries, useless whiner?

[cascheranno@hachyderm.io]

@benroyce @RegGuy so much of this is GOTV.

Pointing to AOC or Mamdani or etc hides their campaign’s effort & the complex of processes they successfully ran. We can’t just agree ‘gotta vote’ - that neglects how hard it is get voters out. And how well they executed. Heck, fam in midtown Brooklyn got canvassed 3x this year, and couldn’t recall the last time anyone knocked on their door.

Pointing to Mamdani glosses by how easily media ownership and money can and does crush weaker campaigns. Cori Bush and Omar and Sanders and Dean’s scream and etc…

I grew up in a union town pre-Reagan. Blue county in a red state. And we had pro leaders, call trees, flyers, rallies, pot lucks, letter-writing, sign teams, etc. then calls day-of, aunties driving folks to polls, a known roster per precinct, and then a fun party after. These orgs were union. When unions got nuked by RightToWork and closures/offshoring, the area’s become reddish-purple. Hell, religious wedges mean even the ~15% in unions tend red. Fucking nightmarish.

[ox1de@cyberplace.social]

@benroyce @Photo55 @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho They all suck ass. I’m not a fan of any party or popular ideology but will vote for the least evil douche.

Living in a state where u don’t have to be affiliated with a party to vote in primaries is way cool.

[macacator@mastodon.social]

@Ox1de @benroyce @Photo55 @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho you still need to vote though

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@cascheranno @RegGuy

no

fuck this defeatist nonsense

the primary point of success or failure is people showing the fuck up

that is what mamdani and AOC succeeded in doing *without* centrist support

that is the lesson

meanwhile endlessly making demands before showing up is lunacy. it is exactly why the left loses

what are you asking for?

that all these forces suddenly align with leftist causes? you think that's going to happen?

no, we simply show the fuck up

stop making excuses not to

[cascheranno@hachyderm.io]

@benroyce @RegGuy and the ‘fuck with corporate’ tactic I am looking for is to counter how money fucks with little-campaigns-who-could.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@Ox1de @Photo55 @macacator @mikelovesbikes @admin @painting_squirrel @bridgeenjoyer @aho

as long as you vote, i don't give a fuck what you think

voting or not is the primary point of failure or success

not voting only helps fascism

so many delude themselves that they are entitled to nope out and... it won't affect them? they aren't abandoning their principles? they think they are going to get any movement on what they *say* they care about but won't lift one finger to matter on?

lunacy

[cascheranno@hachyderm.io]

@benroyce @RegGuy bruh. They won in GOTV. ‘Vote’ times 1e6. All the rest of that bears no resemblance to what I said. Was it copypasta?

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@cascheranno @RegGuy

look: say or don't say whatever the fuck you want

if you show up to vote, i have no problem with you. i'm your biggest fan

but put forth any rationale that says we can not effectively vote until certain exigent conditions are met is a flat rejection from me bruh

showing the fuck up is job number 1. everything else is fucking noise

that's it. that's all i'm saying

[photo55@mastodon.social]

@benroyce

it is better to vote than not. But if you don't like the least bad, then your contribution would better have started earlier.

Please leave me out of further exchanges. And good luck.

[manyroads@mstdn.social]

@LukefromDC @benroyce @cascheranno @RegGuy Sadly a better time comparison might be to end of August 1939... not 1932.

[cascheranno@hachyderm.io]

@benroyce

We agree to vote,

From there, odds of winning are tied to GOTV.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@cascheranno

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@LukefromDC @ManyRoads @cascheranno @RegGuy

all that being said, it's more reason to show up and vote

with group security as you cite

this idea they push these laws, and we obediently not vote as they intend us not to, is alien to me

if someone intends me harm, i'm not going to cooperate with them and give them what they want

anyone who doesn't vote out of concern for security: do they think they have security in the MAGA fascism their nonvote will help deliver?