The question is not whether you can create software using LLMs - you can - most software is just boring CRUD shit.
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Here's the thing: I believe that you deserve to have access to high quality products and services. You deserve to use products and services that are safe, secure, well-designed and not destroying the ecological, informational or social environment.
@tante yeah but what if Some Guy's bonus depends on making it all shittier?
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@tante yeah but what if Some Guy's bonus depends on making it all shittier?
@pikesley *points at everything* then we get this
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The question is not whether you can create software using LLMs - you can - most software is just boring CRUD shit.
But you do pay a hefty price: In lowering quality (security issues, less maintainable), in skill decay in the people "guiding" the stochastic parrots, etc.It's not "can 'AI's create software" but "are we willing to accept worse software running more and more of our lives?"
@tante LLM means the tyranny of shit.
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The question is not whether you can create software using LLMs - you can - most software is just boring CRUD shit.
But you do pay a hefty price: In lowering quality (security issues, less maintainable), in skill decay in the people "guiding" the stochastic parrots, etc.It's not "can 'AI's create software" but "are we willing to accept worse software running more and more of our lives?"
@tante Thinking a lot about this. To me it boils down to code ownership. Which is yet another kind of responsibility/liability that is offloaded to machines that by definition can't be.
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@tante Thinking a lot about this. To me it boils down to code ownership. Which is yet another kind of responsibility/liability that is offloaded to machines that by definition can't be.
@map exactly. In a way accepting responsibility for the code one puts in front of people is accepting the connected care duties towards these people.
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@tante Thinking a lot about this. To me it boils down to code ownership. Which is yet another kind of responsibility/liability that is offloaded to machines that by definition can't be.
@map @tante even some pro LLM people see that: https://lucumr.pocoo.org/2026/2/13/the-final-bottleneck/
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@tante LLM means the tyranny of shit.
A very mediocre dystopia indeed.@Nausipoule @tante I'd argue that instead (or, if you'd like: additionally), it is the terminal form of stochastic terrorism:
You will be randomly denied services, participation and dignity. Now isn't that quite a future.
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The question is not whether you can create software using LLMs - you can - most software is just boring CRUD shit.
But you do pay a hefty price: In lowering quality (security issues, less maintainable), in skill decay in the people "guiding" the stochastic parrots, etc.It's not "can 'AI's create software" but "are we willing to accept worse software running more and more of our lives?"
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The question is not whether you can create software using LLMs - you can - most software is just boring CRUD shit.
But you do pay a hefty price: In lowering quality (security issues, less maintainable), in skill decay in the people "guiding" the stochastic parrots, etc.It's not "can 'AI's create software" but "are we willing to accept worse software running more and more of our lives?"
@tante And I cannot even begin to emphasize how much *it will cost about the same despite it being of lower quality*.
Once credit entities realize that GPUs get obsolete very fast and five years down the line the early-mover needs to buy again just as much new processing hardware as a late-comer, they will stop subsidizing today's AI as a gamble to capture the market for tomorrow.
And then your 45-minutes-saving boilerplate machine will cost 5$ per run.
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@tante yeah but what if Some Guy's bonus depends on making it all shittier?
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Here's the thing: I believe that you deserve to have access to high quality products and services. You deserve to use products and services that are safe, secure, well-designed and not destroying the ecological, informational or social environment.
@tante I mean… people accepted that for transports, agriculture, entertainments, even education and healthcare. Why stop here?
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The question is not whether you can create software using LLMs - you can - most software is just boring CRUD shit.
But you do pay a hefty price: In lowering quality (security issues, less maintainable), in skill decay in the people "guiding" the stochastic parrots, etc.It's not "can 'AI's create software" but "are we willing to accept worse software running more and more of our lives?"
@tante Good take! But also, like "can you create software" is not really an accurate framing of what the hard part of software was.
Most people could "create software" by looking up a Hello world example. That wouldn't help them solve amy real problems tho.
LLMs produce software that *looks more like* it solves problems... but security, integrity, legality were kind of always implied parts of the problem.
Like, it takes a weird subtle reframing of the goal to make LLMs look at all useful.
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The question is not whether you can create software using LLMs - you can - most software is just boring CRUD shit.
But you do pay a hefty price: In lowering quality (security issues, less maintainable), in skill decay in the people "guiding" the stochastic parrots, etc.It's not "can 'AI's create software" but "are we willing to accept worse software running more and more of our lives?"
@tante By now I’m pretty convinced llms can make it easier to produce high quality code then writing high quality code manually. Particularly because the AI is willing to do all the tedious, borring tasks that most developers are often to lazy for. Yes, it also makes it much easier to produce shittier code as well. (1/2)
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@tante By now I’m pretty convinced llms can make it easier to produce high quality code then writing high quality code manually. Particularly because the AI is willing to do all the tedious, borring tasks that most developers are often to lazy for. Yes, it also makes it much easier to produce shittier code as well. (1/2)
Right now we are seeing way more of the latter because most people haven't learned yet how to produce good AI code and because the bad code sticks out while the good code blends in. But I'm convinced your underlying assumption “AI code = shitty" isn't correct. (2/2)
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Right now we are seeing way more of the latter because most people haven't learned yet how to produce good AI code and because the bad code sticks out while the good code blends in. But I'm convinced your underlying assumption “AI code = shitty" isn't correct. (2/2)
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Here's the thing: I believe that you deserve to have access to high quality products and services. You deserve to use products and services that are safe, secure, well-designed and not destroying the ecological, informational or social environment.
@tante Then there’s the thing that we never had that software. Business has always accepted low quality products and services. So while I do agree with you, I’m afraid the people who run the software companies simply don’t care.
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@cjk @tante Honestly I'm not sure about the skill degradation. I think there is a very high chance this is the same “new technology will make the youth stupid" panic that we have seen for centuries with every new technology. Also I really would like to see a deep analysis how much AI is hurting the environment. I don't trust Sam Altmans numbers but I also buy the “every prompt is burning down a small forrest" hyperbole.
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The question is not whether you can create software using LLMs - you can - most software is just boring CRUD shit.
But you do pay a hefty price: In lowering quality (security issues, less maintainable), in skill decay in the people "guiding" the stochastic parrots, etc.It's not "can 'AI's create software" but "are we willing to accept worse software running more and more of our lives?"
@tante Yes, if I had Root Cause Analysis training - #BehavioralScience - in earlier education, I and more like me would've made more of a difference.
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The question is not whether you can create software using LLMs - you can - most software is just boring CRUD shit.
But you do pay a hefty price: In lowering quality (security issues, less maintainable), in skill decay in the people "guiding" the stochastic parrots, etc.It's not "can 'AI's create software" but "are we willing to accept worse software running more and more of our lives?"
@tante No truly Germany has managed to give us great software over the past decades without LLMS.
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The question is not whether you can create software using LLMs - you can - most software is just boring CRUD shit.
But you do pay a hefty price: In lowering quality (security issues, less maintainable), in skill decay in the people "guiding" the stochastic parrots, etc.It's not "can 'AI's create software" but "are we willing to accept worse software running more and more of our lives?"
@tante In my opinion, the problem is that most decision-makers don't understand the risks involved. When those in charge lack the necessary knowledge for software development, the empty promises of AI seem like an easy solution
