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This is anecdotal, but every time I say I have a bad feeling about something

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  • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

    This is anecdotal, but every time I say I have a bad feeling about something

    (See: Elon and companies, alleged grassy knoll ear shots, LLMs, cryptocurrency, Gamergate, project 2025)

    And I get tech people yelling at me in the comments,

    Within two years I’m proven extremely right.

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    @hacks4pancakes gamergate as the incubator/test case for how to steer online discourse/flood the zone/manufacture and use "culture wars", etc ... sigh

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    • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

      I’m kinda just over people yelling at me. The more people get super angry about me saying something is fishy as hell, the more south it’s going.

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      I think that is because they’re all attached to really hype, addictive, subversive things, and We Computer People think we’re immune to that. To the point of getting aggressive when someone says they’re bad.

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      • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

        I think that is because they’re all attached to really hype, addictive, subversive things, and We Computer People think we’re immune to that. To the point of getting aggressive when someone says they’re bad.

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        Yes, even the collapse of American free speech and democratic government because deep American exceptionalism and trust in stability is 💯💯💯 lifelong brainwashing too.

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        • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

          I think that is because they’re all attached to really hype, addictive, subversive things, and We Computer People think we’re immune to that. To the point of getting aggressive when someone says they’re bad.

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          @hacks4pancakes This. And then there’s the massive FOMO every time bad but shiny tech gets hyped. Tech people loooove shiny things, and FOMO is the mind killer.

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          • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

            Yes, even the collapse of American free speech and democratic government because deep American exceptionalism and trust in stability is 💯💯💯 lifelong brainwashing too.

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            You’re mad because you’re so deeply invested and wired into something that me yelling that the emperor is naked makes you want to fight.

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            • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

              I’m kinda just over people yelling at me. The more people get super angry about me saying something is fishy as hell, the more south it’s going.

              cford@toot.thoughtworks.comC This user is from outside of this forum
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              @hacks4pancakes Why do we think "debate" is the right way to explore points of view?

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              • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                You’re mad because you’re so deeply invested and wired into something that me yelling that the emperor is naked makes you want to fight.

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                @hacks4pancakes Decades ago, this company was claiming to have invented the operating system that would work across all computer platforms, Micro, Mini, and Mainframe. They hyped it, and it was called OS-2 (of all things, unrelated to MS OS/2). A friend who was an investor asked me to look at it. I explained in detail why it was not a good investment, and he didn't invest $50K. I was laughed at and told I was wrong.

                Where is OS-2? A money pit that vanished a year later.

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                • steely_glint@chaos.socialS steely_glint@chaos.social

                  @hacks4pancakes Being right isn't as much fun as it should be I find.....

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                  @steely_glint @hacks4pancakes

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                  • regguy@mstdn.socialR regguy@mstdn.social

                    @hacks4pancakes Decades ago, this company was claiming to have invented the operating system that would work across all computer platforms, Micro, Mini, and Mainframe. They hyped it, and it was called OS-2 (of all things, unrelated to MS OS/2). A friend who was an investor asked me to look at it. I explained in detail why it was not a good investment, and he didn't invest $50K. I was laughed at and told I was wrong.

                    Where is OS-2? A money pit that vanished a year later.

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                    @RegGuy oh noooo

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                    • regguy@mstdn.socialR regguy@mstdn.social

                      @hacks4pancakes Decades ago, this company was claiming to have invented the operating system that would work across all computer platforms, Micro, Mini, and Mainframe. They hyped it, and it was called OS-2 (of all things, unrelated to MS OS/2). A friend who was an investor asked me to look at it. I explained in detail why it was not a good investment, and he didn't invest $50K. I was laughed at and told I was wrong.

                      Where is OS-2? A money pit that vanished a year later.

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                      @RegGuy @hacks4pancakes Great idea, if you don't know enough to see the problems.

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                      • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                        Yes, even the collapse of American free speech and democratic government because deep American exceptionalism and trust in stability is 💯💯💯 lifelong brainwashing too.

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                        @hacks4pancakes as a Brit who used to work in US tech and lived in Seattle years ago, I just assumed people got angry when I pointed this out because I was an outsider...

                        A bit like Baz Luhrmann's epic song, Sunscreen, every word of this thread rings true 💯

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                        • regguy@mstdn.socialR regguy@mstdn.social

                          @hacks4pancakes Decades ago, this company was claiming to have invented the operating system that would work across all computer platforms, Micro, Mini, and Mainframe. They hyped it, and it was called OS-2 (of all things, unrelated to MS OS/2). A friend who was an investor asked me to look at it. I explained in detail why it was not a good investment, and he didn't invest $50K. I was laughed at and told I was wrong.

                          Where is OS-2? A money pit that vanished a year later.

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                          @RegGuy @hacks4pancakes now I want to hear more about this operating system. Do you remember the company name? The term os 2 isn't very easy to search.

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                          • loke@functional.cafeL loke@functional.cafe

                            @RegGuy @hacks4pancakes now I want to hear more about this operating system. Do you remember the company name? The term os 2 isn't very easy to search.

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                            @loke @hacks4pancakes They were a Princeton, New Jersey-based company. I have looked, and never found anything. It was so pre-Internet that I'm pretty sure it's lost in the folds of time and worn-out pages of the paper prospectus.

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                            • vegai@sauna.socialV vegai@sauna.social

                              @hacks4pancakes "alleged grassy knoll ear shots" -- what's that about?

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                              @vegai Trump and his ear bullet

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                              • regguy@mstdn.socialR regguy@mstdn.social

                                @loke @hacks4pancakes They were a Princeton, New Jersey-based company. I have looked, and never found anything. It was so pre-Internet that I'm pretty sure it's lost in the folds of time and worn-out pages of the paper prospectus.

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                                @loke @hacks4pancakes More info I just thought of, it predated OS/2, probably 1984 (also ironic).

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                                • cford@toot.thoughtworks.comC cford@toot.thoughtworks.com

                                  @hacks4pancakes Why do we think "debate" is the right way to explore points of view?

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                                  @cford I think it's mostly that many a) men, and b) people in tech do honestly believe that they have a more reasonable, more logical, more correct view of whatever is being discussed than the layman, and sometimes even than people with somehow less knowledge on the subject (or at least they think the other party has less knowledge, often without bothering to check). The urge to correct somebody may stem either from an honest desire to teach them, or from an egotistical desire to demonstrate one's own superiority. Combine the two, and men in tech are, in some ways, indeed the worst.

                                  Please note that I am not excusing anybody's behavior; people MUST learn to question their own PoV, and people absolutely MUST learn to treat others as human beings.

                                  And yes, I do say all of this with a full realization that I have behaved like the man in tech that I am many times, and sometimes do it still.

                                  @hacks4pancakes

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                                    @standev @loke That page won't load for me.

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                                    • regguy@mstdn.socialR regguy@mstdn.social

                                      @standev @loke That page won't load for me.

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                                      @RegGuy sorry, looks like a dead end

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                                      • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                                        You’re mad because you’re so deeply invested and wired into something that me yelling that the emperor is naked makes you want to fight.

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                                        @hacks4pancakes so much this. It is like people are too weak to admit sunk cost fallacy outside of business contexts. I want to grab them by the shoulders DEAR DERP - IT IS IS YOU NOW

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                                          @kauer But why do they attack the person that's telling the fear they have instead of addressing the fear itself? Why shoot the messenger? This will change nothing.

                                          🙈 🙉 🙊 (western interpretation)

                                          @hacks4pancakes

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