So much I love about this story.

[adaraastin@supervolcano.angryshark.eu]

@chu Between the two employers mentioned in the article (airport, lawfirm), I can tell you which one I'd rather work for.

[mweiss@infosec.exchange]

@chu There's something I find fascinating in reading the comments. I had to go back and reread the article to make sure I didn't miss a signal.

In no way did the advertisement imply that they're representing women who were harassed by men. Nor did the CBC article.

Yet a significant percentage of the comments assumed it.

I know that it is more common for women to be the victims here than men. And women should absolutely be treated with respect in the workplace that is generally afforded to men. I've seen plenty.

But men are still often the victims of harassment, either by women or by other men. And those who are deserve acknowledgement and support, too.

Reread the article like I did. The only genders mentioned in it are the owner of the business who was putting up the ad, and the judge who issued the ruling. And even then they were mentioned only in the sense of casual pronoun use.

Chu, I am not pointing at you here. You responded appropriately to @JoeHenzi and so I don't want to discount that.

[cstamp@mastodon.social]

@jenzi @chu @KerryMitchell You have obviously not worked a day as a woman.

[joehenzi@social.vivaldi.net]

@mweiss @chu I had to get a protection order. In two Atlanta hotels she's not allowed to be a guest any longer because she came to my room too often (and I had hotel security remove her). The boss was a woman, the HR rep who fired me was a woman. Both of their bosses and the CEO were women. The harassment got so bad that it put my marriage at risk and I attempted suicide - forever changing my life and maybe making me lose my ability to work. I was the one arrested for DV in stopping her from coming into my room in one town (if you tell the cops someone is trying to sleep with you - it's domestic violence to defend yourself if you're a man). The ironic thing is that my boss told me to "step aside" for the women in my firm who were making moves. They kept putting me on trips with this person, even reassigned my employees to them at one point in a power struggle. We worked together well, we were partners. But the culture of drinking often put her on a path of excess and it became an obsession to "be with me". At one point, she was obsessed with making a child!

I'm 100% certain - for gender reasons - this is going to be my fault somehow. I'm pointing out their genders, but not blaming them for it or anything. But because men typically are a problem, I'm not to be believed. I pushed the EEOC, who did nothing in the end.

[noodlemaz@mstdn.games]

@jenzi @CStamp @chu @KerryMitchell oh do shut the fuck up.
It's not 'sexist against men', I'd ask you to explain how you arrive at that but I could not give less of a shit.

You do not care about protecting anyone from harassment, especially not those who suffer it most frequently. You're protecting abusers with this equivocating nonsense. You're unsafe to work with and a waste of screen time. Get in the bin.

[mawhrin@circumstances.run]

@jenzi @CStamp @chu @KerryMitchell dude, stop talking: if you weren't part of the problem you would already know how frequently women are harassed – your women friends would tell you.

[mawhrin@circumstances.run]

@mweiss @chu @JoeHenzi in general female-presenting people are way more frequently harassed, and that's just statistics.

it does not mean that there's no harassment going the other way or that there is no same-gender harassment going on, of course, but these cases will be more rare.

[joehenzi@social.vivaldi.net]

@mawhrin @mweiss @chu what is the point of your comment to me right now?

[cstamp@mastodon.social]

@jenzi @chu @KerryMitchell You are talking like there isn’t ALREADY division, built in. And those who speak up are penalized in the workplace, so need lawyers to speak on their behalf. Being against that ad is supporting that system.

[jenzi@mastodon.social]

@CStamp @chu @KerryMitchell no one is agains the ad, that's the lie you're being told and buying - that's the division, thanks for being a part of the fucking problem

[mawhrin@circumstances.run]

@JoeHenzi @mweiss @chu i was replying to michael weiss, and did simply retain the reply list.

think cc:, not to:.

[cstamp@mastodon.social]

@jenzi @chu @KerryMitchell I mean, heaven forbid that the very fragile male ego that women are constantly navigating be confronted with the idea that that they should be treating women co-workers like co-workers.

[jenzi@mastodon.social]

@CStamp @chu @KerryMitchell again, you're making shit up

i was upset at being told as a man i'm an abuser, you continue to push this brand of stupidity - thanks! i appreciate being subjected to it, because other men hurt other women it's okay

now - do the same for black crime statistics please!!! islamic terrorism?!

[jenzi@mastodon.social]

@CStamp @chu @KerryMitchell ...to suggest that as a man I disrespect my coworkers is so very ironic it's delicious don't you think?

[jenzi@mastodon.social]

@CStamp @chu @KerryMitchell in fact - your judgement of me based on my gender does prove in fact you are right indeed - only men disrespect women. anyone who objects to this is both frail and guilty of hate crimes/crimes against humanity

your only defense is death

[jenzi@mastodon.social]

@CStamp @chu @KerryMitchell this is totally normal stuff, glad we did it, glad this post started it -- i'm sorry i meant it's my fault, there's already division and i exist as a man in space therefore i am to blame! getting along doesn't matter, why bother?

Trump is fucking evil, he fired that poor woman who covered up those sex crimes against women - HOW DARE HE.

EDIT: He'll probably pardon that woman who obtained girls for the use of sex by men. Those men are fucking terrible!!

[mweiss@infosec.exchange]

@mawhrin @chu @JoeHenzi The rarity is part of the point. We're not talking about black swan events, just less frequent events. The flattening creates knee-jerk reactions. It builds stereotypes. It results in marginalization of people like Joe.

And all of that is both unnecessary and unnecessarily harmful. It's not a zero-sum game, where acknowledging that every human is a potential victim means that we cannot protect women, or that we should care less about doing so.

[mangochutney@social.lol]

@chu @wendynather damn that‘s cool.

[joehenzi@social.vivaldi.net]

@mweiss @mawhrin @chu It happens, people need to protect their stereotypes. I've been subjected to this twice. As a minor I worked for the local newspaper's satellite office. There was a woman there who prayed on minors, plying them with alcohol. She took us out for a "Christmas Party" where multiple people got sick, ushered me into her bed and undressed me before taking things further... To this day I'm still blamed for being the aggressor by my (former) friends despite them seeing me being pulled into her room while trying to leave. She even used the incident to try and put distance between me and others who were interested in me romantically. They didn't fire her, though a woman did resign in disgust (only one of the people involved in HR was a man, the bosses were women and the HR reps were women). She then slept with two more minors before being let go. They somehow let the second report slide because he admitted to being willing - though she was the manager and he was 17 years old and illegally drunk. It took 3 reports of sex with children. Anyone else would label her a pedophile like Epstein though she did it with an apartment and drugs/alcohol and not an island and a helpful mistress. In the end, it hurt people all the same. In every case those teens lost the person they were dating when she targeted them.

[jhamre@oslo.town]

@chu "And thanks to her new ads — a 9.4-by-76 centimetre banner and a 9.5-by-2.9-metre floor-to-ceiling wall wrap — the phone is ringing off the hook.

She says her firm, Megan Thomas Law, has had to hire a new attorney and an intake specialist just to meet the demand.

"We were busy before, but now we're even busier, which is great," she said."

Sounds almost like she learned how to promote her firm from Saul Goodman.