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I would be so, SO happy if iOS 27 reverted all the pointless UI changes since Snow Leopard and went back to that good old-time 2009 design language!

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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    I would be so, SO happy if iOS 27 reverted all the pointless UI changes since Snow Leopard and went back to that good old-time 2009 design language! Skeuomorphism is back, baby!

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    @cstross If they could also stop with shoving the constant tin-rattling from their cloud services into everything, that'd be wonderful.

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    • pndc@social.treehouse.systemsP pndc@social.treehouse.systems

      @cstross If they could also stop with shoving the constant tin-rattling from their cloud services into everything, that'd be wonderful.

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      @pndc The problem with Apple is they're so big that *all* their business divisions are plausible multi-billion dollar corporations if assessed in isolation. (Headphones? Check. Watches? Check.) That includes their cloud services. So they're acting like the rest.

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      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

        @pndc The problem with Apple is they're so big that *all* their business divisions are plausible multi-billion dollar corporations if assessed in isolation. (Headphones? Check. Watches? Check.) That includes their cloud services. So they're acting like the rest.

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        @cstross @pndc Yep they really need to undo most of the UI/UX changes of the last few years. Smells of execs needing to make changes to prove they are doing something/anything rather than keeping a steady course. Cook failed by not stopping them.

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        • bjn@mstdn.socialB bjn@mstdn.social

          @cstross @pndc Yep they really need to undo most of the UI/UX changes of the last few years. Smells of execs needing to make changes to prove they are doing something/anything rather than keeping a steady course. Cook failed by not stopping them.

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          @bjn @pndc It's a classic case of "less is more". I'm reminded of how, when Jobs returned as interim CEO, his first obvious action was to prune most of their products with that famous two-axis diagram (consumer/business, and desktop/laptop: "we need four computers to cover these use cases, axe the rest").

          Someone needs to do that again, kinda-sorta (maybe spin out the non-core stuff as separate companies, to stand or fall on their own). But it won't happen. Wall Street would shit themselves.

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          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

            I would be so, SO happy if iOS 27 reverted all the pointless UI changes since Snow Leopard and went back to that good old-time 2009 design language! Skeuomorphism is back, baby!

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            @cstross I was wondering if the RAM crisis would cause the big OS folks to try optimising and minimising for a bit as they’ll not have much luck bringing out phones that are 30+% more expensive…

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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              @bjn @pndc It's a classic case of "less is more". I'm reminded of how, when Jobs returned as interim CEO, his first obvious action was to prune most of their products with that famous two-axis diagram (consumer/business, and desktop/laptop: "we need four computers to cover these use cases, axe the rest").

              Someone needs to do that again, kinda-sorta (maybe spin out the non-core stuff as separate companies, to stand or fall on their own). But it won't happen. Wall Street would shit themselves.

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              @cstross @bjn MacOS quality was definitely higher during the Jobs era than before or after.

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              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                I would be so, SO happy if iOS 27 reverted all the pointless UI changes since Snow Leopard and went back to that good old-time 2009 design language! Skeuomorphism is back, baby!

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                @cstross A few years ago, I re-watched the James Bond movies and noticed they oscillate back and forth between "this is too campy; go serious" and "this is too serious, go camp!".

                This is a toot about UI design trends.

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  I would be so, SO happy if iOS 27 reverted all the pointless UI changes since Snow Leopard and went back to that good old-time 2009 design language! Skeuomorphism is back, baby!

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                  @cstross I am putting off upgrading my original iPhone SE to something newer because I can not stand this god damn new UI they've come up with.

                  It's hideous.

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    I would be so, SO happy if iOS 27 reverted all the pointless UI changes since Snow Leopard and went back to that good old-time 2009 design language! Skeuomorphism is back, baby!

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                    @cstross I don't know who started this rumor but from what I saw it seems Apple is not going for a 2009 look but they are focusing on improving existing features rather than going for new things much like they did with Snow Leopard. That means nothing is going to change drastically.
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                    • heavyimage@mastodon.socialH heavyimage@mastodon.social

                      @cstross A few years ago, I re-watched the James Bond movies and noticed they oscillate back and forth between "this is too campy; go serious" and "this is too serious, go camp!".

                      This is a toot about UI design trends.

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                      @heavyimage
                      When I watch old James Bond movies, I like them. But I am aware that it is because I assume that they were made as a farce, commenting on the time‘s mysogeny and western dominance, which they are not.

                      Not sure, if this toot is about UI design though.

                      @cstross

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                      • iamlayer8@mastodon.socialI iamlayer8@mastodon.social

                        @heavyimage
                        When I watch old James Bond movies, I like them. But I am aware that it is because I assume that they were made as a farce, commenting on the time‘s mysogeny and western dominance, which they are not.

                        Not sure, if this toot is about UI design though.

                        @cstross

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                        @iamlayer8 @cstross agreed on all counts.

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                        • abhijithb21@fe.disroot.orgA abhijithb21@fe.disroot.org
                          @cstross I don't know who started this rumor but from what I saw it seems Apple is not going for a 2009 look but they are focusing on improving existing features rather than going for new things much like they did with Snow Leopard. That means nothing is going to change drastically.
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                          @abhijithb21 Yes, that's exactly what they're doing. (Snow Leopard looked identical to Leopard on top, but worked better under the hood. It was consolidation and refinement—and it was needed.)

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                          • iamlayer8@mastodon.socialI iamlayer8@mastodon.social

                            @heavyimage
                            When I watch old James Bond movies, I like them. But I am aware that it is because I assume that they were made as a farce, commenting on the time‘s mysogeny and western dominance, which they are not.

                            Not sure, if this toot is about UI design though.

                            @cstross

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                            @iamlayer8 @heavyimage Wrt Bond: the originals were *not* made as farce, the farce only arrived with Roger Moore (and the mad 1960s "Casino Royale" that got made independently because of a previous 1950s TV deal that unbundled that book's IP from the rest of the property). Sean Connery era Bond was in earnest.

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                            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                              @iamlayer8 @heavyimage Wrt Bond: the originals were *not* made as farce, the farce only arrived with Roger Moore (and the mad 1960s "Casino Royale" that got made independently because of a previous 1950s TV deal that unbundled that book's IP from the rest of the property). Sean Connery era Bond was in earnest.

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                              @cstross
                              I know

                              @heavyimage

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                              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                @bjn @pndc It's a classic case of "less is more". I'm reminded of how, when Jobs returned as interim CEO, his first obvious action was to prune most of their products with that famous two-axis diagram (consumer/business, and desktop/laptop: "we need four computers to cover these use cases, axe the rest").

                                Someone needs to do that again, kinda-sorta (maybe spin out the non-core stuff as separate companies, to stand or fall on their own). But it won't happen. Wall Street would shit themselves.

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                                @cstross @pndc The reason watches/cloud/whatever have value is because they are part of Apple’s ecosystem/walled garden. Hiving them off would put them outside of that and they would be worth far less.

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                                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                  @iamlayer8 @heavyimage Wrt Bond: the originals were *not* made as farce, the farce only arrived with Roger Moore (and the mad 1960s "Casino Royale" that got made independently because of a previous 1950s TV deal that unbundled that book's IP from the rest of the property). Sean Connery era Bond was in earnest.

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                                  @cstross @iamlayer8 Not sure I totally agree actually! The early Connery's are more serious but by the time you get to You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are Forever they have become self aware and very very silly in parts.

                                  IMHO the amount of silly Q stuff in the film is directly proportional to the camp factor, basically. The amount of Q in the franchise is a sine wave.

                                  Topical shoutout to the incredible Kill James Bond podcast which has brought me hours of joy https://killjamesbond.com/

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                                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                    I would be so, SO happy if iOS 27 reverted all the pointless UI changes since Snow Leopard and went back to that good old-time 2009 design language! Skeuomorphism is back, baby!

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                                    @cstross Sorry, what they actually mean is that it’s going to be well insulated and live in the Himalayas.

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                                    • heavyimage@mastodon.socialH heavyimage@mastodon.social

                                      @cstross A few years ago, I re-watched the James Bond movies and noticed they oscillate back and forth between "this is too campy; go serious" and "this is too serious, go camp!".

                                      This is a toot about UI design trends.

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                                      @heavyimage @cstross
                                      So ... "Bond" learned how to structure franchises by copying the Carry On people?

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                                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                        @iamlayer8 @heavyimage Wrt Bond: the originals were *not* made as farce, the farce only arrived with Roger Moore (and the mad 1960s "Casino Royale" that got made independently because of a previous 1950s TV deal that unbundled that book's IP from the rest of the property). Sean Connery era Bond was in earnest.

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                                        @cstross @iamlayer8 @heavyimage

                                        Which makes the Camp Ham elements all the more hilarious.

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                                        • heavyimage@mastodon.socialH heavyimage@mastodon.social

                                          @cstross @iamlayer8 Not sure I totally agree actually! The early Connery's are more serious but by the time you get to You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are Forever they have become self aware and very very silly in parts.

                                          IMHO the amount of silly Q stuff in the film is directly proportional to the camp factor, basically. The amount of Q in the franchise is a sine wave.

                                          Topical shoutout to the incredible Kill James Bond podcast which has brought me hours of joy https://killjamesbond.com/

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                                          @heavyimage
                                          I think you can make a movie funny or silly without it being a farce. A farce would have to not be funny or silly to work.
                                          It may be more of a persiflage when it‘s also funny. So that may describe my reaction better. And I still know it was not meant as a persiflage. I‘m just coping.

                                          @cstross

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