The next few years are going to be interesting.
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@fromjason I just fail to imagine why you would need a local model in a secure enclave…? It’s local. The moment you would feed it environment pieces like your file system to work on things, your enclave wouldn’t make much sense anymore.
@frumble oooo yeah so I don't want to get too technical as I would be out of my depth very fast lol.
But I think Apple will pitch this enclave for a couple reasons
First, just a way to keep data generated by AI private, away from a compromised system and from Apple themselves. This is how they pitched finger/Face ID. IDevices are integrated deeply with iCloud. This enclave was a way to show this data is away from that.
Also...
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@frumble oooo yeah so I don't want to get too technical as I would be out of my depth very fast lol.
But I think Apple will pitch this enclave for a couple reasons
First, just a way to keep data generated by AI private, away from a compromised system and from Apple themselves. This is how they pitched finger/Face ID. IDevices are integrated deeply with iCloud. This enclave was a way to show this data is away from that.
Also...
Our computers have our data but an LLM would have synthesized data. For example, our computer might have an email confirmation for purchased M&Ms, a poem about hot fudge, and a photo eating a Hershey's bar. But an LLM could infer the user likes chocolate. That personal data is different and in the enclave. Maybe that's a terrible example or even reasoning lol.
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@fromjason Okay maybe you do need a podcast.
@nannnsss haha thank you. I looked at podcast mics the other day
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For the newly released M5 Pro and Max, AI is already making the press release headline.
This reads less like a make-the-stock-happy announcement like Genmoji, and more like a serious bridge to a real strategic destination:
Apple is making the first* high end consumer AI laptop that makes cloud computing a secondary mechanism.
*edit: let's say first "mass market"
Apple introduces MacBook Pro with all-new M5 Pro and M5 Max
Apple announced the latest 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with the all-new M5 Pro and M5 Max.
Apple Newsroom (www.apple.com)
(Still ranting
) Rewind 6 years. Apple never releases the M Series chip. Macs and MacBooks sort of just limp along, taking whatever dogshit gains Intel throws at them. Four years later, 2 years after ChatGPT went viral, DeepSeek is released. But this time, the markets aren't so freaked out. Yeah, you can run it locally, but it's not just 3 $600 Mac minis. It's [insert PC build here so I don't upset my DIY friends]. Which is fine, but local models are just that much less compelling.
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For the newly released M5 Pro and Max, AI is already making the press release headline.
This reads less like a make-the-stock-happy announcement like Genmoji, and more like a serious bridge to a real strategic destination:
Apple is making the first* high end consumer AI laptop that makes cloud computing a secondary mechanism.
*edit: let's say first "mass market"
Apple introduces MacBook Pro with all-new M5 Pro and M5 Max
Apple announced the latest 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with the all-new M5 Pro and M5 Max.
Apple Newsroom (www.apple.com)
@fromjason Isn’t Nvidia doing something similar with Nemotron? Albeit you can’t lug a GPU rig to the coffee shop, so they wouldn’t really be competing in the same space
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(Still ranting
) Rewind 6 years. Apple never releases the M Series chip. Macs and MacBooks sort of just limp along, taking whatever dogshit gains Intel throws at them. Four years later, 2 years after ChatGPT went viral, DeepSeek is released. But this time, the markets aren't so freaked out. Yeah, you can run it locally, but it's not just 3 $600 Mac minis. It's [insert PC build here so I don't upset my DIY friends]. Which is fine, but local models are just that much less compelling.
The M-series breathed new life into the non-gaming, high-end laptop market. That's important beyond just nice to have. The M series is single-handedly holding back a thin-client renaissance.
In 2026, in a sans-M Series world, centralized compute by way of premium-material ChromeBooks, looks like the future of computing.
None of this to say we should all go out and buy an M5 MBP tonight to support decentralized compute. Go buy a Framework PC, same idea. Just that this is a fragile future.
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@fromjason Isn’t Nvidia doing something similar with Nemotron? Albeit you can’t lug a GPU rig to the coffee shop, so they wouldn’t really be competing in the same space
@kmck they are begrudgingly, I think. Nvidia's business goal is to capture those already interested in on-device AI, but not generate new interest.
Nvidia is like a reverse Microsoft, they're a chip company with AI software partners. They won't do anything to hurt those partners' business model.
Microsoft is a software company with hardware partners. MS has its Surface line, but it's careful not to harm Dell's business.
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@kmck they are begrudgingly, I think. Nvidia's business goal is to capture those already interested in on-device AI, but not generate new interest.
Nvidia is like a reverse Microsoft, they're a chip company with AI software partners. They won't do anything to hurt those partners' business model.
Microsoft is a software company with hardware partners. MS has its Surface line, but it's careful not to harm Dell's business.
@kmck Nemotron exists only so much as it needs to exist to keep some other local model from running away with the market.
Apple, conversely, wants local AI to succeed because it's a local computing company and it doesn't have some network of partners it needs to keep happy.
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The M-series breathed new life into the non-gaming, high-end laptop market. That's important beyond just nice to have. The M series is single-handedly holding back a thin-client renaissance.
In 2026, in a sans-M Series world, centralized compute by way of premium-material ChromeBooks, looks like the future of computing.
None of this to say we should all go out and buy an M5 MBP tonight to support decentralized compute. Go buy a Framework PC, same idea. Just that this is a fragile future.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I'm starting The Centre For Decentralized Compute, or the CDC if you will. I am accepting donations.
No but for real, I think there should be some sort of organized opposition to centralizing computational power.
Also, maybe there should be more marketing around the idea of decentralized compute. All the elements for a great marketing campaign are there. You have a cause people would care about. An enemy. Urgency. Someone get Framework on the horn.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is, I'm starting The Centre For Decentralized Compute, or the CDC if you will. I am accepting donations.
No but for real, I think there should be some sort of organized opposition to centralizing computational power.
Also, maybe there should be more marketing around the idea of decentralized compute. All the elements for a great marketing campaign are there. You have a cause people would care about. An enemy. Urgency. Someone get Framework on the horn.
Keep Compute Local. Decentralized Compute is Digital Sovereignty. Not down with OPP (Other People's Power). We taught rocks to think and all I got was this egress bill? My Other Computer Has a GPU. Honk if your computer works without WiFi.
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I guess what I'm trying to say is, I'm starting The Centre For Decentralized Compute, or the CDC if you will. I am accepting donations.
No but for real, I think there should be some sort of organized opposition to centralizing computational power.
Also, maybe there should be more marketing around the idea of decentralized compute. All the elements for a great marketing campaign are there. You have a cause people would care about. An enemy. Urgency. Someone get Framework on the horn.
@fromjason Sounds like Folding@Home to me. I like the idea
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