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In case anybody is confused about what is going on with todon.nl and todon.eu:

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  • fedilore@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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    fedilore@mastodon.social
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    In case anybody is confused about what is going on with todon.nl and todon.eu:

    - About a week ago, a fairly new todon.nl user jumped over from BlueSky to harass a trans woman on fedi.

    - That harassment is based on a lot of very niche queer politics from Tumblr.

    - This harassment has escalated into the todon.nl user making at least five fake accounts to dodge blocks.

    - Todon.nl has taken no actions to stop this harassment.

    #FediBlock #FediAdmin

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    • fedilore@mastodon.socialF fedilore@mastodon.social

      In case anybody is confused about what is going on with todon.nl and todon.eu:

      - About a week ago, a fairly new todon.nl user jumped over from BlueSky to harass a trans woman on fedi.

      - That harassment is based on a lot of very niche queer politics from Tumblr.

      - This harassment has escalated into the todon.nl user making at least five fake accounts to dodge blocks.

      - Todon.nl has taken no actions to stop this harassment.

      #FediBlock #FediAdmin

      fedilore@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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      The niche queer politics are all based on a series of decades old Tumblr posts that nobody read, but roughly speaking:

      - There is a conspiracy theory that trans women all hate men and want to force everybody to become women.

      - Trans women are impacted by misogyny and sometimes talk about things like feminism and patriarchy, just like cis women do.

      - People find a trans woman talking about feminism, and then justify harassment with the conspiracy theory.

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      • fedilore@mastodon.socialF fedilore@mastodon.social

        The niche queer politics are all based on a series of decades old Tumblr posts that nobody read, but roughly speaking:

        - There is a conspiracy theory that trans women all hate men and want to force everybody to become women.

        - Trans women are impacted by misogyny and sometimes talk about things like feminism and patriarchy, just like cis women do.

        - People find a trans woman talking about feminism, and then justify harassment with the conspiracy theory.

        fedilore@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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        One thing to keep an eye out for is the acronym "TIRF".

        The entire point of the acronym is that it's pronounced identically to "TERF".

        It's obviously cruel to call trans women TERFs, so people who want to be cruel to trans women reverse engineered an acronym to do that.

        That makes it really easy to to identify this sort of extremely-online transmisogynist harassment.

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        • fedilore@mastodon.socialF fedilore@mastodon.social

          One thing to keep an eye out for is the acronym "TIRF".

          The entire point of the acronym is that it's pronounced identically to "TERF".

          It's obviously cruel to call trans women TERFs, so people who want to be cruel to trans women reverse engineered an acronym to do that.

          That makes it really easy to to identify this sort of extremely-online transmisogynist harassment.

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          Notionally, TIRF stands for "trans-inclusive radical feminist".

          If you ignore the homophone, TIRF is so meaningless as to be nonsensical because:

          - Being trans-inclusive is a good thing.

          - Radical feminism is just any feminism that has the goal of abolishing patriarchy.

          Most modern feminists are both trans-inclusive and radical feminists.

          It feels strange to call a feminist "trans-inclusive" or "radical" because those things are kind of just the default.

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          • fedilore@mastodon.socialF fedilore@mastodon.social

            Notionally, TIRF stands for "trans-inclusive radical feminist".

            If you ignore the homophone, TIRF is so meaningless as to be nonsensical because:

            - Being trans-inclusive is a good thing.

            - Radical feminism is just any feminism that has the goal of abolishing patriarchy.

            Most modern feminists are both trans-inclusive and radical feminists.

            It feels strange to call a feminist "trans-inclusive" or "radical" because those things are kind of just the default.

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            I don't want to direct more harassment towards the person being harassed, and I suspect the person doing the harassment is a confused teenager.

            I am not going to post screenshots and I am not asking you to block anybody.

            My hope is that instance admins will learn to identify this sort of conspiracy-based transphobic harassment and protect their users from it when they see it.

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            • fedilore@mastodon.socialF fedilore@mastodon.social

              Notionally, TIRF stands for "trans-inclusive radical feminist".

              If you ignore the homophone, TIRF is so meaningless as to be nonsensical because:

              - Being trans-inclusive is a good thing.

              - Radical feminism is just any feminism that has the goal of abolishing patriarchy.

              Most modern feminists are both trans-inclusive and radical feminists.

              It feels strange to call a feminist "trans-inclusive" or "radical" because those things are kind of just the default.

              c_dan4th@mstdn.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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              @fedilore TIRFs… or as we call them, “feminists”.

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              • fedilore@mastodon.socialF fedilore@mastodon.social

                Notionally, TIRF stands for "trans-inclusive radical feminist".

                If you ignore the homophone, TIRF is so meaningless as to be nonsensical because:

                - Being trans-inclusive is a good thing.

                - Radical feminism is just any feminism that has the goal of abolishing patriarchy.

                Most modern feminists are both trans-inclusive and radical feminists.

                It feels strange to call a feminist "trans-inclusive" or "radical" because those things are kind of just the default.

                cmdr_nova@null.mkultra.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                @fedilore I just want to note that, rather than making any statements, clarifying themselves, or taking action against clearly harassment-based accounts on their instance, the Todon.nl admin has added an angry statement to their bio, and done nothing else.

                This is in response to my initial report when the post first went live, the takedown request I made, the follow-up, and my communication with his instance host on defamation, and the legality of defamation in the Netherlands.

                I am now receiving random attacks every few hours wherein I now have to use scripts to auto-suspend any remote users on brand new accounts, and this has been going on for 2 weeks now.

                You shouldn't harass anyone, but moderation this negligent should require a fediverse-wide response.

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                  @fedilore I just want to note that, rather than making any statements, clarifying themselves, or taking action against clearly harassment-based accounts on their instance, the Todon.nl admin has added an angry statement to their bio, and done nothing else.

                  This is in response to my initial report when the post first went live, the takedown request I made, the follow-up, and my communication with his instance host on defamation, and the legality of defamation in the Netherlands.

                  I am now receiving random attacks every few hours wherein I now have to use scripts to auto-suspend any remote users on brand new accounts, and this has been going on for 2 weeks now.

                  You shouldn't harass anyone, but moderation this negligent should require a fediverse-wide response.

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                  kkarhan@jorts.horse
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                  @cmdr_nova @fedilore +9001%

                  • This is worse than the shite I got from Ro & WelshPixie and their followers for taking a close look at TheBadSpace.
                    • Tho I did preemptively blocked all their followers and still do!
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                  • fedilore@mastodon.socialF fedilore@mastodon.social

                    The niche queer politics are all based on a series of decades old Tumblr posts that nobody read, but roughly speaking:

                    - There is a conspiracy theory that trans women all hate men and want to force everybody to become women.

                    - Trans women are impacted by misogyny and sometimes talk about things like feminism and patriarchy, just like cis women do.

                    - People find a trans woman talking about feminism, and then justify harassment with the conspiracy theory.

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                    kkarhan@jorts.horse
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                    @fedilore people still believe the "Forcefem Conspiracy"?

                    • That shit was already garbage in the late 2000s when folks like @F3715H showed it to me…
                      • Needless to say it's just a firm of covert hatespeech against trans* people…
                      • Spread by the same folks that did the Anti-Trans propaganda on RT…
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