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  • P proscience@toot.community

    @pvonhellermannn

    Good news that the Reform fascists go down, but the Greens' positions towards NATO and Russia are problematic to put it mildly.

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    @proscience @pvonhellermannn

    Green policy on NATO:
    Which bit is "problematic" ?

    "We acknowledge the need for greater defence spending and continued NATO membership, but also call for a more thorough reappraisal of strategic defence alliances. With Trump no longer a reliable ally, we need to deepen our defence cooperation with the EU, and review AUKUS."

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    In anticipation of the outcome of the strategic defence review being published today, Ellie Chowns MP, who holds the defence brief for the Parliamentary Green Party, said: “We acknowledge the need for greater defence spending and continued NATO membership, but also call for a more thorough reappraisal of strategic defence alliances. With Trump no longer […]

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    • pvonhellermannn@mastodon.greenP pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green

      #ClimateDiary This really is a wonderful Easter present. Greens leading UK polls!
      For those of you not in UK: this is unprecedented, and as little as six months ago pretty unimaginable. Happy Eastear everyone!

      #GreenParty #GPEW #UKPolitics

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      @pvonhellermannn
      Never let it be said that my glass is half-full!!!
      There is still a lot of work to do. My reading is: "The system is fine, it just needs minor tweaks, 17.0 + 9.2 = 26.2%" "The system is generally OK but needs to be more brutal, 20.9%" "System, what system? This is just the natural order of things. Perhaps some minor adjustments towards brutality? 20.4%"

      There is still a large majority who don't recognise that the existing system is making the planet uninhabitable for humans.

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      • pvonhellermannn@mastodon.greenP pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green

        #ClimateDiary This really is a wonderful Easter present. Greens leading UK polls!
        For those of you not in UK: this is unprecedented, and as little as six months ago pretty unimaginable. Happy Eastear everyone!

        #GreenParty #GPEW #UKPolitics

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        @pvonhellermannn why does Lord Ashcroft get so many votes tho

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        • P proscience@toot.community

          @pvonhellermannn

          Good news that the Reform fascists go down, but the Greens' positions towards NATO and Russia are problematic to put it mildly.

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          @pvonhellermannn @proscience they’re really not

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          • neuimneuland@mastodon.socialN neuimneuland@mastodon.social

            @pvonhellermannn We had such a situation in Germany in May 2021. The vote in September 2021 looked totally different, though.

            But it was funny to see the reactions of the fossil industry, agriculture (factory farming etc.) and other sectors to these polls.

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            @neuimneuland yes, you are right - all this will change so mch still and actual elections are different. But in itself still great - reactions and all!

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            • jackeric@beige.partyJ jackeric@beige.party

              @pvonhellermannn why does Lord Ashcroft get so many votes tho

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              @pvonhellermannn @jackeric Rotten borough

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              • pvonhellermannn@mastodon.greenP pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green

                #ClimateDiary This really is a wonderful Easter present. Greens leading UK polls!
                For those of you not in UK: this is unprecedented, and as little as six months ago pretty unimaginable. Happy Eastear everyone!

                #GreenParty #GPEW #UKPolitics

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                @pvonhellermannn It’s hard to explain how extraordinary this is. I’ve been a Green Party member for 16 years - we used to think 10% was good.

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                • pvonhellermannn@mastodon.greenP pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green

                  #ClimateDiary This really is a wonderful Easter present. Greens leading UK polls!
                  For those of you not in UK: this is unprecedented, and as little as six months ago pretty unimaginable. Happy Eastear everyone!

                  #GreenParty #GPEW #UKPolitics

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                  @pvonhellermannn and it’s based mostly on antisemitism, anti-Americanism, love for Putin, and generally a regressive type of antiimperialistim, isn’t it? Because that is the only real differentiator the Green Party in the UK seems to offer compared to Labour or Liberal party

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                  • pvonhellermannn@mastodon.greenP pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green

                    #ClimateDiary This really is a wonderful Easter present. Greens leading UK polls!
                    For those of you not in UK: this is unprecedented, and as little as six months ago pretty unimaginable. Happy Eastear everyone!

                    #GreenParty #GPEW #UKPolitics

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                    @pvonhellermannn Good news even if that comes with the fact too many people seem to be okay with voting for the tories after the last 15 years.

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                    • pvonhellermannn@mastodon.greenP pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green

                      #ClimateDiary This really is a wonderful Easter present. Greens leading UK polls!
                      For those of you not in UK: this is unprecedented, and as little as six months ago pretty unimaginable. Happy Eastear everyone!

                      #GreenParty #GPEW #UKPolitics

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                      @pvonhellermannn Ashcroft is probably the least reliable pollster overall alas but still a nice report.

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                      • pvonhellermannn@mastodon.greenP pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green

                        #ClimateDiary This really is a wonderful Easter present. Greens leading UK polls!
                        For those of you not in UK: this is unprecedented, and as little as six months ago pretty unimaginable. Happy Eastear everyone!

                        #GreenParty #GPEW #UKPolitics

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                        @pvonhellermannn hadn't really heard of Ashcroft before. Hope his numbers are good, bc his opinions...

                        > there will always be people eager to believe we can fund the NHS by taxing the rich, that legalising drugs will make our streets safer ... wishful thinking

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                        This article was first published in the Mail on Sunday   MY LATEST POLL has thrown up something unusual – an unprecedented three-way tie between Reform, the Conservatives and the Greens. It’s true that with no election in sight, voting intention polls should be taken with more than a pinch of salt. It’s also wort...

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                        • pvonhellermannn@mastodon.greenP pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green

                          #ClimateDiary This really is a wonderful Easter present. Greens leading UK polls!
                          For those of you not in UK: this is unprecedented, and as little as six months ago pretty unimaginable. Happy Eastear everyone!

                          #GreenParty #GPEW #UKPolitics

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                          @pvonhellermannn Who is this Lord Ashcroft and why are we so interested in how he votes?

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                          • seb321@toot.communityS seb321@toot.community

                            @pvonhellermannn It’s hard to explain how extraordinary this is. I’ve been a Green Party member for 16 years - we used to think 10% was good.

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                            @seb321 @pvonhellermannn I'm the u. S. A green getting 1% is good

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                            • olivernoble@mastodon.worldO olivernoble@mastodon.world

                              @proscience @pvonhellermannn

                              Green policy on NATO:
                              Which bit is "problematic" ?

                              "We acknowledge the need for greater defence spending and continued NATO membership, but also call for a more thorough reappraisal of strategic defence alliances. With Trump no longer a reliable ally, we need to deepen our defence cooperation with the EU, and review AUKUS."

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                              Greens call for investment in genuine global security   - Green Party

                              In anticipation of the outcome of the strategic defence review being published today, Ellie Chowns MP, who holds the defence brief for the Parliamentary Green Party, said: “We acknowledge the need for greater defence spending and continued NATO membership, but also call for a more thorough reappraisal of strategic defence alliances. With Trump no longer […]

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                              @OliverNoble @proscience @pvonhellermannn "We acknowledge the need for greater defence spending and continued NATO membership" all of those things sound awful

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                              • fu@hostux.socialF fu@hostux.social

                                @OliverNoble @proscience @pvonhellermannn "We acknowledge the need for greater defence spending and continued NATO membership" all of those things sound awful

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                                @Fu
                                I think currently NATO is not ideal and needs to change& ultimately maybe be replaced by a European agreement

                                Also the current UK "defence" budget may be sufficient if it was used for *defence*- so no more flying reconnaissance for Israel, and no repeat of Afghanistan or Iraq etc which were so costly (in every sense) and were hard to justify as defensive

                                The stated position from the greens doesnt exactly align with my ideal either, but its close

                                See the link (above) for full context

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                                • etchedpixels@mastodon.socialE etchedpixels@mastodon.social

                                  @pvonhellermannn Ashcroft is probably the least reliable pollster overall alas but still a nice report.

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                                  @etchedpixels @pvonhellermannn yeah, I want to believe... but ballotboxscot does not trust Lord Ashcroft on voter intention surveys, they do them in uniquely weird way

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