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And so but anyway, did I ever tell you about my most humiliating experience as a skilled and successful computer programmer?

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  • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

    And I was sub-contracted to do that. It was about a six month long project. I wrote an entire windowing system on top of DOS to use VGA to show the display.

    (I'm a good fucking programmer, and that's not the only time I've written a graphical UI from scratch.)

    And. A comical note: about six weeks before the project was due, my hard drive died. And. My backup drive died.

    All I had were some two-month old printouts.

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    @GeePawHill i dont understand what we are doing differently with all of the tools we have today, because i think back to how much i can do in 6mo and it doesnt include writing an entire graphics system on top of whatever the actual goal is. We have web browsers and html/css/svg with openstreetmap and im not sure i could make something with the same featureset in the same timeframe. I dont have a complete clear thought but im not sure we have the right level of abstraction and code reuse and might instead be making things harder and more comples for minimal benefit. Im not saying we need Amish / acoustic pixels or anything, but it seems like this would still be a 6mo project and im not sure how much the layers of functionality between then and now are buying us. There are many things i wouldnt want to do without, like unicode, but it seems we built everything that is needed and useful 20y ago amn its been downhill and bloat ever since.

    Sorry for the stream-of-conciousness, trying to get a thought in order πŸ™‚

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    • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

      @billseitz They were all already in place, with displays, on the bridge. I suspect they were often ignored, cuz they didn't work very well.

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      @GeePawHill @billseitz β€œI suspect they were often ignored” ought to be posted in giant letters where anyone involved in a data visualization or consolidation project should see them.

      A neat experiment: how would putting that in the startup instructions for an LLM affect the resulting product?

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      • knowprose@mastodon.socialK knowprose@mastodon.social

        @GeePawHill as someone who once worked on calibrating software for inertial navigation units...

        Yeah.

        Your story is epic. πŸ™ƒ

        🀣

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        @knowprose
        Tell us more, please. Which depths lie there unseen?
        @GeePawHill

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        • yala@degrowth.socialY yala@degrowth.social

          @knowprose
          Tell us more, please. Which depths lie there unseen?
          @GeePawHill

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          @yala @GeePawHill in that role and others, I was always adjacent to those things, never a participant.

          I was the one slaying dragons while the cool kids were out doing the fun stuff. 🀣

          But I got stories. None of them mine. πŸ™ƒ

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          • fangh@shelter.moeF fangh@shelter.moe

            @GeePawHill here's an illustration of another good point : go on the field to see how shit works before coding any line of code that's suppose to fix that shit.

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            @Fangh @GeePawHill by now I don't even remember how many times my teams coded some kind of quick, hacked together version instead of multi-month solution, to learn that domain doesn't work as they expected and they would have wasted many months if they went with perfect plan.
            Difficult to coach or explain to people who never experienced it.

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            • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

              Now. I was afraid of sea sickness. I'd been on fishing trips on the open ocean, and had been very sick. So I wore a patch.

              You may not know this, but there are still Royal Navy traditions practiced aboard ships.

              One of the important ones: there's always a comedy officer. Someone whose job it is to be funny, to make sailors smile.

              You think that's silly, but sometimes these people are on board these ships for a *year*. It is important that they be amused.

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              @GeePawHill One of my uncles was medical offer on a submarine. Two weeks out of port, all the various *ahem* medical illnesses have resolved themselves one way or another. And so now his job is... entertainment! That really was his job for most of the time - keeping folks from going stir-crazy.

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              • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                And the other Royal Navy tradition: Captains are inviolate commanders, at all times in all settings. They present "serious". They eat and drink separately from the crew. They have only three or four other officers that they ever get to, comparatively, relax with.

                So, you have a comedy officer, and you have a captain, and the captain simply looks the other way when the comedy officer is up to their hijinks.

                He *knows* the hijinks. He *sees* the hijinks. But he pretends not to.

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                @GeePawHill@mastodon.social ​Fun fact: my mother has expert card shuffling skills because as the daughter of a merchant navy captain she was one of the only people the sailors trusted to deal for money games in or out of port (she would have been around 10 at the time and didn't normally travel with the ship). The captain, of course, couldn't be involved but the crew preferred having relatives of the captain run the game than the local casino.

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                • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                  And, for the record, I have been a successful professional programmer, an independent, for 45 years. I've failed more times than most people have even tried.

                  Some days you get the bear.

                  Some days the bear gets you.

                  Find joy in it. Without joy, why are we even doing this shit?

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                  @GeePawHill πŸ˜‚ Fantastic story. Would you mind if I screenshot it and share it on Tumblr - I would link back to your posts as a source.

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                  • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                    And, for the record, I have been a successful professional programmer, an independent, for 45 years. I've failed more times than most people have even tried.

                    Some days you get the bear.

                    Some days the bear gets you.

                    Find joy in it. Without joy, why are we even doing this shit?

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                    @GeePawHill Thank you for this great story. As so often, we programmers don't get access to clients soon enough to catch these kinds of unclear/misleading requirements.

                    I don't think I can count the times where at product delivery the client has crucial insights that nobody told me about.

                    ...and I never even got a helicopter flight out of those situations. 😁

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                    • superball@norcal.socialS superball@norcal.social

                      @dtwx I read (from Jon Turk, who traveled extensively in eastern Siberia) that walruses are scarier than polar bears!

                      @GeePawHill

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                      @superball Good to know! I'll avoid them too!

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                      • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                        And, for the record, I have been a successful professional programmer, an independent, for 45 years. I've failed more times than most people have even tried.

                        Some days you get the bear.

                        Some days the bear gets you.

                        Find joy in it. Without joy, why are we even doing this shit?

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                        @GeePawHill Thanks for the story ! πŸ™‚

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                        • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                          And so but anyway, did I ever tell you about my most humiliating experience as a skilled and successful computer programmer?

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                          @GeePawHill Thank you for the story!

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                          • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                            And, for the record, I have been a successful professional programmer, an independent, for 45 years. I've failed more times than most people have even tried.

                            Some days you get the bear.

                            Some days the bear gets you.

                            Find joy in it. Without joy, why are we even doing this shit?

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                            @GeePawHill great story. Thanks for sharing.

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                            • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                              And, for the record, I have been a successful professional programmer, an independent, for 45 years. I've failed more times than most people have even tried.

                              Some days you get the bear.

                              Some days the bear gets you.

                              Find joy in it. Without joy, why are we even doing this shit?

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                              @GeePawHill thanks for the write up. Really cool.

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                              • tsturm@famichiki.jpT tsturm@famichiki.jp

                                @GeePawHill Thank you for this great story. As so often, we programmers don't get access to clients soon enough to catch these kinds of unclear/misleading requirements.

                                I don't think I can count the times where at product delivery the client has crucial insights that nobody told me about.

                                ...and I never even got a helicopter flight out of those situations. 😁

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                                @tsturm @GeePawHill ^this...

                                The times I've requested "real data" to be told that "its simple" or "covered in the spec" and guess what. Huge bits were complex or/and not in the spec. Usually followed by a massive rewrite, or once, abandoning the project entirely.

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                                • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                                  And so but anyway, did I ever tell you about my most humiliating experience as a skilled and successful computer programmer?

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                                  @GeePawHill what a great story! I'll be using it to teach juniors about fun... And talking to your users before even planning anything πŸ˜‰

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                                  • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                                    And, for the record, I have been a successful professional programmer, an independent, for 45 years. I've failed more times than most people have even tried.

                                    Some days you get the bear.

                                    Some days the bear gets you.

                                    Find joy in it. Without joy, why are we even doing this shit?

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                                    @GeePawHill wonderful story, well told. there are special skills, and wrangling multiple serial datastreams is among them. these days I'd lazily convert separately, drop into database and hide all the complexity in totally separate software that can only read the db. How times have changed...

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                                    • geepawhill@mastodon.socialG geepawhill@mastodon.social

                                      And so but anyway, did I ever tell you about my most humiliating experience as a skilled and successful computer programmer?

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                                      @GeePawHill Beautiful story, thanks for sharing πŸ’šπŸ’šπŸ’š

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                                      • rhube@wandering.shopR rhube@wandering.shop

                                        @GeePawHill πŸ˜‚ Fantastic story. Would you mind if I screenshot it and share it on Tumblr - I would link back to your posts as a source.

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                                        @Rhube Go for it.

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                                        • tomf@mastodon.gamedev.placeT tomf@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                          @GeePawHill One of my uncles was medical offer on a submarine. Two weeks out of port, all the various *ahem* medical illnesses have resolved themselves one way or another. And so now his job is... entertainment! That really was his job for most of the time - keeping folks from going stir-crazy.

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                                          @TomF Yep. "Comedy Officer" isn't a thing, except, on most ships that stay at sea for a while, there always *is* one!

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