We are thrilled to announce the public availability of Fairplayer for Faircamp, the first step in our vision of a #decentralized #music platform.
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@fairplayer wow this looks amazing! Are you also working on Bandwagon support? cc @benpate
Hi! Thanks a lot!
We are not working on it specifically although we have them on the radar. Our idea is to work together with the decentralized musical ecosystem (some of it we are already in contact) towards standardized protocols.
We believe in cooperation rather than competition and we want to take special care on creator's consent.
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@wjmaggos @fairplayer @radisolar @blankfosk @helenbellmusic @maciac @sofisoft @aymanhamad @laribal @txels @james @Omar I love that. I started building out https://auxpack.club to help on the patronage side, by enabling artists to band together and reduce exposure to processing fees
@kidlightbulbs @wjmaggos @fairplayer
That is very interesting! Personally, I think that individual patronage can drive to dangerous dynamics on the artists and I am more for a "community" of artists patronage.
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Hi! Thanks a lot!
We are not working on it specifically although we have them on the radar. Our idea is to work together with the decentralized musical ecosystem (some of it we are already in contact) towards standardized protocols.
We believe in cooperation rather than competition and we want to take special care on creator's consent.
there was talk of trying to do this on an @lorenzosmusic episode with @fluffy. yea working out some kind of open protocol seems key.
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We are thrilled to announce the public availability of Fairplayer for Faircamp, the first step in our vision of a #decentralized #music platform.
After a few months of building, and the generous help of artists who have participated in our trial period, https://fairplayer.band is open to the world. If you are an artist that has a #Faircamp site, or someone wanting to listen to music from independent artists, come and tell us what you think!
Special thanks to @radisolar @blankfosk @helenbellmusic @maciac @sofisoft @kidlightbulbs @aymanhamad @laribal @txels @james @Omar @choan who have already contributed their music in this very early stage!
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@jeffcliff @NonPlayableClown @blankfosk
Hi!
License is defined by each artist. Our music local ecosystem has a complex mixture of different licenses and we want to remain inclusive here.
This doesn't mean that free culture should not be promoted. Fairplayer is free software and can be installed by anyone. One could host a fairplayer that only accepted music with free licenses (and probably this make a lot of sense).
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>not seeing anything about creative commons here
I mean it's not own by the service.
It's heavily reliant on how the user handles licensing.
>ie looks like a spotify/bandcamp competitor, nothing more
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@jeffcliff @NonPlayableClown @blankfosk
The approach we propose is that artist hosts their music so they retain high degree of control, keeping very low resource-demanding the player so it has not to scale much and making core mutual consent.
We are promoting a lot of contacts between listeners and artists in our local ecosystem in order to reach a fair rewards system that is adequate for everyone.
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there was talk of trying to do this on an @lorenzosmusic episode with @fluffy. yea working out some kind of open protocol seems key.
@wjmaggos @fairplayer @liaizon @benpate @lorenzosmusic Hello, yes! The referenced protocol spec is at https://github.com/PlaidWeb/Canimus and I know there’s interest from Simon Repp in adding it to Faircamp. I’ve got some prototype implementations of the protocol up on my own site https://sockpuppet.band/ as well as on https://songfight.org/
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@wjmaggos @fairplayer @liaizon @benpate @lorenzosmusic Hello, yes! The referenced protocol spec is at https://github.com/PlaidWeb/Canimus and I know there’s interest from Simon Repp in adding it to Faircamp. I’ve got some prototype implementations of the protocol up on my own site https://sockpuppet.band/ as well as on https://songfight.org/
@fluffy thanks! Yes we are aware of this work! (I am one of the Fairplayer devs).
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We are thrilled to announce the public availability of Fairplayer for Faircamp, the first step in our vision of a #decentralized #music platform.
After a few months of building, and the generous help of artists who have participated in our trial period, https://fairplayer.band is open to the world. If you are an artist that has a #Faircamp site, or someone wanting to listen to music from independent artists, come and tell us what you think!
Special thanks to @radisolar @blankfosk @helenbellmusic @maciac @sofisoft @kidlightbulbs @aymanhamad @laribal @txels @james @Omar @choan who have already contributed their music in this very early stage!
@fairplayer Looks great! Is there an API?
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We are thrilled to announce the public availability of Fairplayer for Faircamp, the first step in our vision of a #decentralized #music platform.
After a few months of building, and the generous help of artists who have participated in our trial period, https://fairplayer.band is open to the world. If you are an artist that has a #Faircamp site, or someone wanting to listen to music from independent artists, come and tell us what you think!
Special thanks to @radisolar @blankfosk @helenbellmusic @maciac @sofisoft @kidlightbulbs @aymanhamad @laribal @txels @james @Omar @choan who have already contributed their music in this very early stage!
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@fairplayer Looks great! Is there an API?
Hi! Thanks!
For now, we are focusing in maturing a responsive web app. So an API is not in the early road, although new features will arise from the community needs.
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@fbulow Hi!
There has not been a debate on that, but there is not any plan in the roadmap to support audio files DRM from the player.
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We are thrilled to announce the public availability of Fairplayer for Faircamp, the first step in our vision of a #decentralized #music platform.
After a few months of building, and the generous help of artists who have participated in our trial period, https://fairplayer.band is open to the world. If you are an artist that has a #Faircamp site, or someone wanting to listen to music from independent artists, come and tell us what you think!
Special thanks to @radisolar @blankfosk @helenbellmusic @maciac @sofisoft @kidlightbulbs @aymanhamad @laribal @txels @james @Omar @choan who have already contributed their music in this very early stage!
@fairplayer glad to see projects like this! To echo others, some kind of artist payment is critical before being adopted by most artists.
I've long been thinking about an open source, decentralized Spotify alternative that pays the artists the vast majority of all revenue, maybe metered by the minute rather than per stream, up to a maximum monthly payment from the user.
Another option is Bandcamp-style purchasing of music. Artists I know like the Bandcamp model. Purchased music would go into one's local library, and would be playable by the streaming app for free, integrated seamlessly with the non-owned (metered) content.
Good luck with this project!
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@fairplayer glad to see projects like this! To echo others, some kind of artist payment is critical before being adopted by most artists.
I've long been thinking about an open source, decentralized Spotify alternative that pays the artists the vast majority of all revenue, maybe metered by the minute rather than per stream, up to a maximum monthly payment from the user.
Another option is Bandcamp-style purchasing of music. Artists I know like the Bandcamp model. Purchased music would go into one's local library, and would be playable by the streaming app for free, integrated seamlessly with the non-owned (metered) content.
Good luck with this project!
@jamesmarshall Thank you!
We are in close contact with both listeners and musicians in our local area (in fact, we have both in our development team). Our vision is to let them decide which should be the best payment equilibrium and provide the tools to do it.
The ability of purchase music to download is something that we have already discussed, although we are in a very early stage of the development and it will be shaped by the needs of the community!
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@wjmaggos @fairplayer @liaizon @benpate @lorenzosmusic Hello, yes! The referenced protocol spec is at https://github.com/PlaidWeb/Canimus and I know there’s interest from Simon Repp in adding it to Faircamp. I’ve got some prototype implementations of the protocol up on my own site https://sockpuppet.band/ as well as on https://songfight.org/
@fluffy @wjmaggos @fairplayer @liaizon @benpate I didn't know about the song fight one, I like that concept
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@jamesmarshall Thank you!
We are in close contact with both listeners and musicians in our local area (in fact, we have both in our development team). Our vision is to let them decide which should be the best payment equilibrium and provide the tools to do it.
The ability of purchase music to download is something that we have already discussed, although we are in a very early stage of the development and it will be shaped by the needs of the community!
@fairplayer @jamesmarshall
Isn’t this already handled somewhat through the individual faircamp site of each artist?
You can look there if they have an option for support. And concerning the streaming part on fairplayer, everybody can decide themselves if they want their work on your site or not. -
@jamesmarshall Thank you!
We are in close contact with both listeners and musicians in our local area (in fact, we have both in our development team). Our vision is to let them decide which should be the best payment equilibrium and provide the tools to do it.
The ability of purchase music to download is something that we have already discussed, although we are in a very early stage of the development and it will be shaped by the needs of the community!
@fairplayer great! I hope you're also getting input from musicians who aren't developers and need to make a living with their music alone.
At least in the US, that's a huge challenge for professional musicians-- they are far underpaid, and we don't really have a safety net here. -
@jamesmarshall Thank you!
We are in close contact with both listeners and musicians in our local area (in fact, we have both in our development team). Our vision is to let them decide which should be the best payment equilibrium and provide the tools to do it.
The ability of purchase music to download is something that we have already discussed, although we are in a very early stage of the development and it will be shaped by the needs of the community!
@fairplayer @jamesmarshall why?!
faircamp IS our download and soft paycurtain method already. Doing an opt-in unified player with some maybe kinda potential for discovery is nice but your website is quite unclear on copying or pushing potential resource strain down to artists' hosting.
For the things that if not already in the thread will pop up from the "now do this" dogpile:
Folks need to just keep getting better at directly supporting artists if they actually care. Middlemen are an infinite harassment, annoyance and barrier for artists.
Also crawl before sprinting, there is no ethical payment gateway, grouping or middlemanning payments is a liability speed run to shutdown. Go to artists' faircamps where download and support is zero clicks away instead of up levels and onlynin one spot.
There will never be a streaming or discovery platform for indie artists where you can also stream corpo catalogues and support rhianna's lawyers' yachts. -
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