It’s really surprising to me that the #fediverse hasn’t agreed on a standardized way to open cross-instance #activitypub objects and instead relies on links that open in the browser.

[sl007@digitalcourage.social]

@benpate @julian @ricferrer @trwnh

PS History continued, two years later, in 2019 I sponsored the first offiial ActivityPub Conf https://conf.tube/c/apconf_channel/videos and in the Prague dox museum we had a short session where we said to talk to the browser people again in some years. The 2020 Conf was fully packed and then I was personally overloaded with the EU DMA/DSA consulting (disclaimer; invited expert but all voluntary) …
But maybe that time would benow - at least in the interest of accessibility …

[Jake Archibald and Jenn Simmons and more browser makers are meanwhile in fedi themselves …]

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@ricferrer @benpate @trwnh @julian @rimu so, maybe we should have a group working on this problem.

[ricferrer@mastodon.social]

@evan @benpate @trwnh @julian @rimu is there a matrix room we could joint? or should I make one?

[julian@activitypub.space]

@ricferrer@mastodon.social I feel keeping this on fedi is easier, but that's also because I don't have a matrix account

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@julian @ricferrer I meant, taking it to a Task Force. It's a really important question.

[julian@activitypub.space]

@evan@cosocial.ca yep! I was responding to using a matrix chat room.

I'm all for a task force on this.

[benpate@mastodon.social]

Task Force: Yes

Matrix: Please No? I freakin’ HATE matrix

@ricferrer @evan @trwnh @julian @rimu

[django@social.coop]

@julian @evan @rimu @ricferrer @trwnh I think handlers like this are an older desktop paradigm, on mobile we already have share sheets, and we’re sharing a url, to an app, what happens when the app receives the url is a client concern. Get the ActivityPub representation, and carry on as you would in the fedi (actor follow, or object like share, reply)!
Desktop OS’ have already adopted this UX

[ricferrer@mastodon.social]

@benpate what are your thoughts on matrix? I am considering using it in a product I am working on and would love to know why you don’t like it 🧐

I’ve been testing Element X and haven’t found many issues.

[dansup@mastodon.social]

@benpate @trwnh @ricferrer @evan @julian @rimu Done!

https://loops.video/.well-known/webfinger?resource=acct:dansup@loops.video · BrowserPub · A browser for exploring ActivityPub and the fediverse

Explore the open social web through the lens of ActivityPub and the fediverse.

(browser.pub)

[sl007@digitalcourage.social]

@benpate
Off course not, this would be even illegal in the EU.

[edit] I am super thankful for the FEP!
It is just that I am (at the same time) super frustrated about the browser makers, acting as gatekeepers in the context of Open Protocols.
As the elected Policy Lead, I advised the EU about „federating systems“ in the DMA/DSA. Nothing of this is covered by the law currently.

The idea is super old and dead simple.
https://developer.mozilla.org/de/docs/Web/API/Navigator/registerProtocolHandler
The "limited available" and the calculated "bugs" in the support makes me sad.

As user: If it is my private computer, I want to be able to store the "me" in the browser, that is primarily my fedi handle ot url … … …
Then it is possible on any webpage to share any ActivityPub item from my account by just a click without revealing my identity directly. This should really be a task of the browser. Mozilla Persona was a nice idea as well until they sent the team to create games which nobody played.

@ricferrer @trwnh @evan @julian @rimu

[trwnh@mastodon.social]

@django @julian @evan @rimu @ricferrer now that i'm more awake, one other big concern is that fedcm means no privacy. so a browser or os solution like an extension or a share target is privacy-preserving. i don't think it's acceptable to make people say who they are just so like and share buttons can work. your identity should not be known to the site necessarily unless there's a very good reason (like reading private posts)

[trwnh@mastodon.social]

@strypey did we not start with exactly that? we're way past the point of acknowledging the pain point...

[dansup@mastodon.social]

@benpate @trwnh @ricferrer @evan @julian @rimu So I have a working proof of concept, using the Activity Intents FEP and a polyfill for software not yet supported.

Want to work on this together?

I will be getting the webintents.net website up shortly

Web Intents (@webintents@mastodon.social)

Attached: 1 image Introducing WebIntents: A universal follow button for the fediverse. Embed or link it anywhere. Click, enter your server, follow. Works with Mastodon, Emissary, Loops & more. Powered by @benpate's amazing Activity Intents FEP*. Coming soon. Calling all fediverse devs: let's collaborate and make this better together. ✨ https://webintents.net * - https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/3b86/fep-3b86.md

Mastodon (mastodon.social)

[tofeo@mstdn.social]

@dansup @benpate @trwnh @ricferrer @evan @julian @rimu

How to do ?

[benpate@mastodon.social]

Yes. I'm in.

I've built similar buttons for Emissary, but they require too much server-side logic. I've been wanting to migrate the whole thing to client-side JS for some time, and make an easy widget that "webmasters" can drop on their pages.

If you're interested, you're more than welcome to take the lead on this (I'm sooo full rn) and I'll do whatever you need to help out.

And if you want to chat, let's jump on a video call

@dansup @trwnh @ricferrer @evan @julian @rimu @webintents

[dansup@mastodon.social]

@benpate @trwnh @ricferrer @evan @julian @rimu @webintents

Yes, for sure! I've already built a proof of concept, that I will get setup and ready to test on a video call.

I even got the project website up: https://webintents.net

[benpate@mastodon.social]

@ricferrer

While I do have some gripes with notifications and threaded discussions in the Element client…

My loathing of Matrix is less about the technology, and more about having yet another place to follow discussions. I can only follow so many separate places to have discussions, and matrix doesn’t seem to add much value.

I’d much rather try to make discussions work better HERE, instead of moving everything over to Matrix

[ricferrer@mastodon.social]

@benpate yeah. I understand completely and I feel the same way that the space for communication tools is over saturated. But I do see a value in #matrix for private communication. Private/Direct #messenging in the fediverse is not good and I feel it would take a huge effort to fix it. At the same time there is in matrix already a separate solution that gives me hope about replacing #whatsapp #signal #telegram etc in a way that more aligns to my values and overlaps those of the fediverse.

[kariboka@mastodon.social]

@ricferrer