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We’re quickly approaching a bifurcation in FOSS with projects including or not including LLM generated code.

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  • janl@narrativ.esJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    RE: https://hachyderm.io/@janvhs/116184719405207871

    We’re quickly approaching a bifurcation in FOSS with projects including or not including LLM generated code.

    We’ll have to come up with a name so we can talk clearly about it.

    I desperately hope the non-LLM side is going to be large enough to include a full stack, otherwise there’s a lot of work ahead of us for no good reason.

    —

    At least until we have truly free and open, non-exploitative, consentually sourced, sustainably powered tooling, which is a bubble or two away at least.

    ramsey@phpc.socialR floriann@infosec.exchangeF dahukanna@mastodon.socialD jlink@det.socialJ cford@toot.thoughtworks.comC 6 Replies Last reply
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    • janl@narrativ.esJ janl@narrativ.es

      RE: https://hachyderm.io/@janvhs/116184719405207871

      We’re quickly approaching a bifurcation in FOSS with projects including or not including LLM generated code.

      We’ll have to come up with a name so we can talk clearly about it.

      I desperately hope the non-LLM side is going to be large enough to include a full stack, otherwise there’s a lot of work ahead of us for no good reason.

      —

      At least until we have truly free and open, non-exploitative, consentually sourced, sustainably powered tooling, which is a bubble or two away at least.

      ramsey@phpc.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
      ramsey@phpc.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @janl Everything in the world is designed for polarization, at this point.

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      • janl@narrativ.esJ janl@narrativ.es

        RE: https://hachyderm.io/@janvhs/116184719405207871

        We’re quickly approaching a bifurcation in FOSS with projects including or not including LLM generated code.

        We’ll have to come up with a name so we can talk clearly about it.

        I desperately hope the non-LLM side is going to be large enough to include a full stack, otherwise there’s a lot of work ahead of us for no good reason.

        —

        At least until we have truly free and open, non-exploitative, consentually sourced, sustainably powered tooling, which is a bubble or two away at least.

        floriann@infosec.exchangeF This user is from outside of this forum
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        @janl this - but also I appreciate how the LLM bubble also helps onboarding normal developers by providing on point introductions.

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        • floriann@infosec.exchangeF floriann@infosec.exchange

          @janl this - but also I appreciate how the LLM bubble also helps onboarding normal developers by providing on point introductions.

          mattly@hachyderm.ioM This user is from outside of this forum
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          @floriann @janl I’ve read through a few of these files and it seems a better name would be INSTRUCTIONS.md

          I’d say it’s boggling that people didn’t care about this stuff before, but sadly it isn’t

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          • mattly@hachyderm.ioM mattly@hachyderm.io

            @floriann @janl I’ve read through a few of these files and it seems a better name would be INSTRUCTIONS.md

            I’d say it’s boggling that people didn’t care about this stuff before, but sadly it isn’t

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            @mattly @janl I agree!

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            • janl@narrativ.esJ janl@narrativ.es

              RE: https://hachyderm.io/@janvhs/116184719405207871

              We’re quickly approaching a bifurcation in FOSS with projects including or not including LLM generated code.

              We’ll have to come up with a name so we can talk clearly about it.

              I desperately hope the non-LLM side is going to be large enough to include a full stack, otherwise there’s a lot of work ahead of us for no good reason.

              —

              At least until we have truly free and open, non-exploitative, consentually sourced, sustainably powered tooling, which is a bubble or two away at least.

              dahukanna@mastodon.socialD This user is from outside of this forum
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              @janl why are developers “sleep walking” into “white goods” commodification - https://www.rolandberger.com/en/Insights/Publications/The-white-goods-market.html?
              Going from an embodied, practiced, creative skill to a pressing buttons on a “sealed, pre-packaged appliance”.

              I want “Star Trek” A.I. tech or J.A.R.V.I.S A.I. from Iron Man. Not this confabulation engine.

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              • janl@narrativ.esJ janl@narrativ.es

                RE: https://hachyderm.io/@janvhs/116184719405207871

                We’re quickly approaching a bifurcation in FOSS with projects including or not including LLM generated code.

                We’ll have to come up with a name so we can talk clearly about it.

                I desperately hope the non-LLM side is going to be large enough to include a full stack, otherwise there’s a lot of work ahead of us for no good reason.

                —

                At least until we have truly free and open, non-exploitative, consentually sourced, sustainably powered tooling, which is a bubble or two away at least.

                jlink@det.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                @janl NGOS Non-Generative Open Source

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                • janl@narrativ.esJ janl@narrativ.es

                  RE: https://hachyderm.io/@janvhs/116184719405207871

                  We’re quickly approaching a bifurcation in FOSS with projects including or not including LLM generated code.

                  We’ll have to come up with a name so we can talk clearly about it.

                  I desperately hope the non-LLM side is going to be large enough to include a full stack, otherwise there’s a lot of work ahead of us for no good reason.

                  —

                  At least until we have truly free and open, non-exploitative, consentually sourced, sustainably powered tooling, which is a bubble or two away at least.

                  cford@toot.thoughtworks.comC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @janl Might the split form along GPL vs BSD/MIT lines? Both the copyleft and LLM-free positions seem aligned on attitudes to ecosystems and the responsibilities of folks using code for their own ends.

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                  • janl@narrativ.esJ janl@narrativ.es

                    RE: https://hachyderm.io/@janvhs/116184719405207871

                    We’re quickly approaching a bifurcation in FOSS with projects including or not including LLM generated code.

                    We’ll have to come up with a name so we can talk clearly about it.

                    I desperately hope the non-LLM side is going to be large enough to include a full stack, otherwise there’s a lot of work ahead of us for no good reason.

                    —

                    At least until we have truly free and open, non-exploitative, consentually sourced, sustainably powered tooling, which is a bubble or two away at least.

                    jmax@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @janl Free software - software for the love of it - has always been a very minority position. We papered over that fact when the money-lords found us convenient.

                    Now it's re-appearing in a different guise.

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