Usually, when I get interviewed for a piece on something like "AI consciousness" I am relegated to the skeptics box --- some short paragraph near the end.
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@emilymbender The real issue here might be that machine learning models pursue a single objective; no matter what.
So the next step is then to say that machine learning models are superior because of the single objective.
Being human means not having a single objective. These people are rich and powerful enough to redeclare utilitarianism
It's all a bit narrow minded; one long impaired intellectual gooning session.
@spdrnl Good ol' Mastodon. First reply is of course some more mansplaining.
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@spdrnl Good ol' Mastodon. First reply is of course some more mansplaining.
@emilymbender Oh, that was not my intention.
I was reacting to the caption under the photo; I highly distrust the AI crowd. My post was meant as an inside take, what I think is behind these projections.
My statement was intended to sympathize with your many good insights; I really admire your take on things.
I can remove the post.
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My only quibble is that I am (again) paraphrased as if I talked about "AI" as a thing, or used "AI" to refer to language models. I'm sure what I said to Holly Baxter here was "language models" have these uses. I've asked for a correction.
In general, if you see me quoted/paraphrased in the media and the term "AI" is outside the quotes, that's gonna be a journalist mis-paraphrasing me.
/fin
@emilymbender this is something I've been curious about, if you don't mind the question: do LLMs in particular actually improve upon machine translation? I theorized they would perform worse than more bespoke approaches
Kraftwerk-Das Model Collapse (@dngrs@chaos.social)
@hongminhee@hollo.social is there evidence that LLMs are superior to special purpose machine translation models? In my subjective experience the quality of google translate has gone down recently (but I don't know what tech they are using behind the scenes - I think it's likely they shifted to LLM translation but cannot prove it); apart from that I suspect that since LLM training data is largely untagged for translation this would degrade quality vs. purpose built models.
chaos.social (chaos.social)
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@emilymbender Oh, that was not my intention.
I was reacting to the caption under the photo; I highly distrust the AI crowd. My post was meant as an inside take, what I think is behind these projections.
My statement was intended to sympathize with your many good insights; I really admire your take on things.
I can remove the post.
@spdrnl My advice is if you want to do something like that, make it clear in your post who you are addressing your comments to.
You started by clicking "reply" to me, so the default interpretation is that you're replying to me.
Another option is to quote post instead. Or post your own link to the article.
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@emilymbender this is something I've been curious about, if you don't mind the question: do LLMs in particular actually improve upon machine translation? I theorized they would perform worse than more bespoke approaches
Kraftwerk-Das Model Collapse (@dngrs@chaos.social)
@hongminhee@hollo.social is there evidence that LLMs are superior to special purpose machine translation models? In my subjective experience the quality of google translate has gone down recently (but I don't know what tech they are using behind the scenes - I think it's likely they shifted to LLM translation but cannot prove it); apart from that I suspect that since LLM training data is largely untagged for translation this would degrade quality vs. purpose built models.
chaos.social (chaos.social)
@dngrs The transformer architecture produced improvements in MT, but I think the best results come from training systems specifically for MT, rather than asking the allegedly "general purpose" (they're not) models to do it.
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@spdrnl My advice is if you want to do something like that, make it clear in your post who you are addressing your comments to.
You started by clicking "reply" to me, so the default interpretation is that you're replying to me.
Another option is to quote post instead. Or post your own link to the article.
@emilymbender Noted.
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@emilymbender Noted.
@spdrnl p.s. Starting with "The real issue here...." suggests that you think that what I wrote was not the real issue, or somehow beside the point.
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@spdrnl p.s. Starting with "The real issue here...." suggests that you think that what I wrote was not the real issue, or somehow beside the point.
@emilymbender I really thought you were just pointing to an article by Holly Baxter. These short written messages are not always easy to assess.
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@emilymbender I really thought you were just pointing to an article by Holly Baxter. These short written messages are not always easy to assess.
@spdrnl No, I was writing a thread about it, as indicated inter alia, with
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I also was talking about and article *I was interviewed in*, as per the top post in my thread.
The post contained more than just the link. Did you only read the link?
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Usually, when I get interviewed for a piece on something like "AI consciousness" I am relegated to the skeptics box --- some short paragraph near the end. So it is a nice change to see this piece by Holly Baxter
The people building AI think it might be conscious. That’s not the most alarming part
Anthropic’s CEO Dario Amadei says he can’t rule out that its chatbot, Claude, is conscious. A Google engineer is sure he once built a sentient being. Holly Baxter speaks to the experts about whether or not ‘AI welfare’ is a serious pursuit — and what that means for humans
The Independent (www.the-independent.com)
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@emilymbender It is *fascinating* how you appear in AI-related media. Smart reporters and tech people know they have to mention you, but they can't engage with your arguments without turning off the hype machine. Thanks for sharing this.
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@spdrnl No, I was writing a thread about it, as indicated inter alia, with
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I also was talking about and article *I was interviewed in*, as per the top post in my thread.
The post contained more than just the link. Did you only read the link?
@emilymbender Ah, that thread was not visible to me. On my account it just showed that post.
I took the effort to click via your profile and then I can see the thread.
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I have been sharing the Magic 8 Ball analogy for a while now, but I think this is maybe the first time it's made it to print:
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@emilymbender I did not know what a Magic 8 Ball is, so I looked it up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_8_Ball
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@spdrnl Good ol' Mastodon. First reply is of course some more mansplaining.
Don't ever mansplain to a an internationally known subject material expert whose consulting fee schedule for tech bros starts at $2000 per hour.
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@dngrs The transformer architecture produced improvements in MT, but I think the best results come from training systems specifically for MT, rather than asking the allegedly "general purpose" (they're not) models to do it.
in a similar vein, what is it that makes people expect that MT between two languages that don't have much useful translated corpus between them should be any good? I mean, what's the conceptual ground for such beliefs about how language is supposed to work?
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Usually, when I get interviewed for a piece on something like "AI consciousness" I am relegated to the skeptics box --- some short paragraph near the end. So it is a nice change to see this piece by Holly Baxter
The people building AI think it might be conscious. That’s not the most alarming part
Anthropic’s CEO Dario Amadei says he can’t rule out that its chatbot, Claude, is conscious. A Google engineer is sure he once built a sentient being. Holly Baxter speaks to the experts about whether or not ‘AI welfare’ is a serious pursuit — and what that means for humans
The Independent (www.the-independent.com)
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> a message specifically included for tech bros with startups who want to download all her knowledge about LLMs: “My consulting fee is $2,000/hour. I do not ‘grab coffee’ or ‘jump on the phone’.”
Nice, how many of them took you up on that?
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I have been sharing the Magic 8 Ball analogy for a while now, but I think this is maybe the first time it's made it to print:
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@emilymbender When I explain my qualms about GenAI chatbots to others, I usually refer to Clever Hans as a historic example of a situation where an observer falsely attributes "intelligence" to a non-intelligent process.
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@emilymbender When I explain my qualms about GenAI chatbots to others, I usually refer to Clever Hans as a historic example of a situation where an observer falsely attributes "intelligence" to a non-intelligent process.
@emilymbender Oh, TIL that there is an AI-related use of the term Clever Hans effect, unrelated to what I meant here. My reason to refer to Clever Hans is how the intelligence (or consciousness?) attributed to the chatbot isn't in the chatbot, but only in the mind of the observer.
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Usually, when I get interviewed for a piece on something like "AI consciousness" I am relegated to the skeptics box --- some short paragraph near the end. So it is a nice change to see this piece by Holly Baxter
The people building AI think it might be conscious. That’s not the most alarming part
Anthropic’s CEO Dario Amadei says he can’t rule out that its chatbot, Claude, is conscious. A Google engineer is sure he once built a sentient being. Holly Baxter speaks to the experts about whether or not ‘AI welfare’ is a serious pursuit — and what that means for humans
The Independent (www.the-independent.com)
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@emilymbender You mention a $2,000/hr consulting fee. Are you also getting a flood of prospective students you have to turn away?
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Usually, when I get interviewed for a piece on something like "AI consciousness" I am relegated to the skeptics box --- some short paragraph near the end. So it is a nice change to see this piece by Holly Baxter
The people building AI think it might be conscious. That’s not the most alarming part
Anthropic’s CEO Dario Amadei says he can’t rule out that its chatbot, Claude, is conscious. A Google engineer is sure he once built a sentient being. Holly Baxter speaks to the experts about whether or not ‘AI welfare’ is a serious pursuit — and what that means for humans
The Independent (www.the-independent.com)
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When I read that headline, it gave me the impression that "AI" was going to be declared as more than conscious in some way. I suppose that's just "how you write a headline".
I was pleasantly surprised at how sober Holly Baxter's take on "AI" was. She does not blindly buy in to the hype and she hasn't fallen down the rabbit hole of installing Claude and getting bamboozled by its magical cold reading skills.
I was further surprised to see just how much space was given over to your interview.
Thank you for even taking the time to continue talking to reporters when, as you said, you are often a checkbox just so they can say they did a "both sides".
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I have been sharing the Magic 8 Ball analogy for a while now, but I think this is maybe the first time it's made it to print:
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