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In this golden age of surveillance, making E2EE chat normal and expected has been privacy's biggest win.

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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    @evacide @encthenet Meta is apparently the corporation behind all the international lobbying for laws mandating age verification in operating systems and web browsers. Ditching E2EE in their own product is a no-brainer in this context.

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    @cstross @evacide @encthenet

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    • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

      In this golden age of surveillance, making E2EE chat normal and expected has been privacy's biggest win. I hate to see it getting rolled back. https://thehackernews.com/2026/03/meta-to-shut-down-instagram-end-to-end.html

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      @evacide

      If that company’s products lose and an encryption, my hope is that people who care leave the platforms for safer alternatives and buy that I mean non-commercial alternatives

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      • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

        In this golden age of surveillance, making E2EE chat normal and expected has been privacy's biggest win. I hate to see it getting rolled back. https://thehackernews.com/2026/03/meta-to-shut-down-instagram-end-to-end.html

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        @evacide Moxie Marlinspike, whom I respect less by the day: "No, you see, federated messengers in general can't work. They ossify too quickly and get left in the dust security wise. Thomas Hobbes had it right. A single legal entity must be in control of every aspect of the application. Look at Whatsapp. They rolled out e2ee for all their users with the push of a button."

        I would like to thank Meta for reminding these credulous people that anything that can be done with a push of button, can be undone with the push of a button, and with just as much justification.

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        • qgustavor@urusai.socialQ qgustavor@urusai.social

          @evacide The thing is: WhatsApp can be the next in line and people will not migrate from it if it happens.

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          @qgustavor @evacide two days ago they sent me a generic message there reminding me that E2EE was there and protecting me, so they know that's a lot more "core" to that product...

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          • mancube@pnw.zoneM mancube@pnw.zone

            @sar @cstross @evacide @encthenet strikes me similarly; they're trying to show that they're doing something to "protect children" in the face of all the scrutiny they're under about the real harms they don't want to stop perpetuating

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            @mancube @sar @cstross @evacide @encthenet you’ve got to wonder why they don’t simply spend that money on some tough moderation instead; just let go of that childish free speech absolutism and fix the poison on those damn platforms

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            • alessandrolai@phpc.socialA alessandrolai@phpc.social

              @qgustavor @evacide two days ago they sent me a generic message there reminding me that E2EE was there and protecting me, so they know that's a lot more "core" to that product...

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              @alessandrolai @evacide I was its main feature before Meta bought it

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              • stu@chaos.socialS stu@chaos.social

                @evacide Why would Instagram roll this product out if they are just going to remove it lol 😂

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                @stu @evacide I got news for you about Google.

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                • ozzelot@mstdn.socialO ozzelot@mstdn.social

                  @stu @evacide I got news for you about Google.

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                  @ozzelot I know @evacide

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                  • evacide@hachyderm.ioE evacide@hachyderm.io

                    In this golden age of surveillance, making E2EE chat normal and expected has been privacy's biggest win. I hate to see it getting rolled back. https://thehackernews.com/2026/03/meta-to-shut-down-instagram-end-to-end.html

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                    @evacide@hachyderm.io "they can do it on whatsapp", well what about no.

                    Matrix should finishing fixing their bugs and usability problems, it's a really good chance to finally got more users.

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                    • sar@social.elderlogs.netS sar@social.elderlogs.net

                      @feyter @qgustavor @evacide

                      I wouldn't bet on it. Heard of Chat Control? The EU are walking roughshod over their own history of privacy protections along with seemingly every government on earth in a desperate bid to read everyone's private information.

                      Apart from theirs, because *of course* they've made themselves exempt from all the rules they want to impose on others...

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                      @sar @feyter @qgustavor @evacide EU politicians are tripping over themselves trying to get those bribes from billionaires (aka "lobbying"). Their talk of "sovereignty" is simply a "for sale" sign. And that means *you*, @EUCommission

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