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  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

    The AI automation arms race layoff trap:

    1 Competitive pressure pushes firms to automate using AI more than needed for market

    2 Now jobless workers can't buy products/services, harming both labor & firm owners

    3 Suggested solution by AI companies like UBI/upskilling/lower wages cannot stop the AI doom cycle

    The study concludes that only a Pigouvian automation tax can fix the problem. Policy makers must address the competitive drive to automate, not just the post AI fallout afterward

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    Full link is here https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.20617

    It is worth reading as this study comes from the field of theoretical economics. This is what top AI scientists are actually saying. If you want to study the impact of AI on job market and ecomomy, listen to the economists instead of Elon, Sama, or Dario. They are here to sell AI, even if it leads to total economic doom.

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    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

      The AI automation arms race layoff trap:

      1 Competitive pressure pushes firms to automate using AI more than needed for market

      2 Now jobless workers can't buy products/services, harming both labor & firm owners

      3 Suggested solution by AI companies like UBI/upskilling/lower wages cannot stop the AI doom cycle

      The study concludes that only a Pigouvian automation tax can fix the problem. Policy makers must address the competitive drive to automate, not just the post AI fallout afterward

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      hypostase@bsd.networkH This user is from outside of this forum
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      @nixCraft
      I prefer

      Now jobless workers can't buy food, so turn to making handcrafted guillotines to make ends meet.

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      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

        Full link is here https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.20617

        It is worth reading as this study comes from the field of theoretical economics. This is what top AI scientists are actually saying. If you want to study the impact of AI on job market and ecomomy, listen to the economists instead of Elon, Sama, or Dario. They are here to sell AI, even if it leads to total economic doom.

        meneerdebruin@mastodon.nlM This user is from outside of this forum
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        #4

        @nixCraft So it's: tax the rich and ai.

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        • meneerdebruin@mastodon.nlM meneerdebruin@mastodon.nl

          @nixCraft So it's: tax the rich and ai.

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          @MeneerDeBruin @nixCraft Tax AI/rich to fund the universal income it will force.

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          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

            The AI automation arms race layoff trap:

            1 Competitive pressure pushes firms to automate using AI more than needed for market

            2 Now jobless workers can't buy products/services, harming both labor & firm owners

            3 Suggested solution by AI companies like UBI/upskilling/lower wages cannot stop the AI doom cycle

            The study concludes that only a Pigouvian automation tax can fix the problem. Policy makers must address the competitive drive to automate, not just the post AI fallout afterward

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            @nixCraft Seems like an economic perpetuum mobile, not sure if that's going to work.

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            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

              The AI automation arms race layoff trap:

              1 Competitive pressure pushes firms to automate using AI more than needed for market

              2 Now jobless workers can't buy products/services, harming both labor & firm owners

              3 Suggested solution by AI companies like UBI/upskilling/lower wages cannot stop the AI doom cycle

              The study concludes that only a Pigouvian automation tax can fix the problem. Policy makers must address the competitive drive to automate, not just the post AI fallout afterward

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              @nixCraft this makes a big assumption, namely that consumers are still needed.

              If you look at the IOU circlejerk in AI right now, it's clear as day that capitalism has transcended consumer capitalism.

              I think that's infinitely more scary.

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              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                The AI automation arms race layoff trap:

                1 Competitive pressure pushes firms to automate using AI more than needed for market

                2 Now jobless workers can't buy products/services, harming both labor & firm owners

                3 Suggested solution by AI companies like UBI/upskilling/lower wages cannot stop the AI doom cycle

                The study concludes that only a Pigouvian automation tax can fix the problem. Policy makers must address the competitive drive to automate, not just the post AI fallout afterward

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                #8

                @nixCraft I feel like we already ran this experiment with outsourcing manufacturing in the 80s & 90s & know the result; the laid-off workers will be blamed for their own plight, left to fend for themselves. Bankruptcies, homelessness, drug abuse, & "deaths of despair" are the likely future of those affected.

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                • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

                  @nixCraft this makes a big assumption, namely that consumers are still needed.

                  If you look at the IOU circlejerk in AI right now, it's clear as day that capitalism has transcended consumer capitalism.

                  I think that's infinitely more scary.

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                  @budududuroiu @nixCraft Capitalism is doomed. It is a type of economy which only works as long as there is long term net growth, but we have already exceeded the global growth limits of our planet, meaning that the economy can't really grow anymore, and sooner or later it will begin to shrink dramatically, with absolutely no possibility of ever growing again.

                  The cleverer part of the rich know this, which is why they're switching from capitalism to feudalism.

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                  • lordcaramac@discordian.socialL lordcaramac@discordian.social

                    @budududuroiu @nixCraft Capitalism is doomed. It is a type of economy which only works as long as there is long term net growth, but we have already exceeded the global growth limits of our planet, meaning that the economy can't really grow anymore, and sooner or later it will begin to shrink dramatically, with absolutely no possibility of ever growing again.

                    The cleverer part of the rich know this, which is why they're switching from capitalism to feudalism.

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                    @LordCaramac

                    > Capitalism is doomed

                    Yes.

                    > but we have already exceeded the global growth limits of our planet

                    Also yes.

                    > The cleverer part of the rich know this, which is why they're switching from capitalism to feudalism.

                    Three yes-es.

                    I don't think they're switching, it's a natural progression of insane wealth hoarding.

                    Also, when Thiel says "AI will solve the climate crisis", he means: "6 billion people will die, robotics will become good enough to replace them, and the 2 billion remaining people will be able to enjoy the same or more level of consumption and move to areas unaffected by climate change"

                    @nixCraft

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                    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                      The AI automation arms race layoff trap:

                      1 Competitive pressure pushes firms to automate using AI more than needed for market

                      2 Now jobless workers can't buy products/services, harming both labor & firm owners

                      3 Suggested solution by AI companies like UBI/upskilling/lower wages cannot stop the AI doom cycle

                      The study concludes that only a Pigouvian automation tax can fix the problem. Policy makers must address the competitive drive to automate, not just the post AI fallout afterward

                      Link Preview Image
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                      @nixCraft Also worth noting that any solution that requires taxing corporations or wealthy tech elite will simply not happen.

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                      • hypostase@bsd.networkH hypostase@bsd.network

                        @nixCraft
                        I prefer

                        Now jobless workers can't buy food, so turn to making handcrafted guillotines to make ends meet.

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                        @hypostase @nixCraft just think of the recycling! ๐Ÿ˜‚

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                        • knowprose@mastodon.socialK knowprose@mastodon.social

                          @hypostase @nixCraft just think of the recycling! ๐Ÿ˜‚

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                          @knowprose
                          I dunno, there's only so much you can do with toxic waste.
                          @nixCraft

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                          • hypostase@bsd.networkH hypostase@bsd.network

                            @knowprose
                            I dunno, there's only so much you can do with toxic waste.
                            @nixCraft

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                            @hypostase @nixCraft I was thinking of the metal to create guillotines ๐Ÿคฃ

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                            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                              Full link is here https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.20617

                              It is worth reading as this study comes from the field of theoretical economics. This is what top AI scientists are actually saying. If you want to study the impact of AI on job market and ecomomy, listen to the economists instead of Elon, Sama, or Dario. They are here to sell AI, even if it leads to total economic doom.

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                              @nixCraft its a preprint, keep that in mind

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