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  3. So it turns out that having the most *expensive* military tech in the world may not be the best strategy, huh?

So it turns out that having the most *expensive* military tech in the world may not be the best strategy, huh?

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  • faithisleaping@anarres.familyF faithisleaping@anarres.family

    @artemis Oh, it always has been. See also the F-104 Starfighter.

    That plane was so bad it got the nickname "widowmaker" from the Germans because so many pilots died flying them. The reputation was so bad that the US (or Lockheed?) paid for an entire Top Gun knock-off movie to be made about them to try and salvage their reputation.

    Fix the problems? No. Just make a movie about how awesome our fancy plane is.

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    @faithisleaping @artemis Chief designer Kelly Johnson so regretted that plane that he threatened to quit Lockheed if they kept selling it. I guess the compromise was they would only sell it overseas 😞

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    • faithisleaping@anarres.familyF faithisleaping@anarres.family

      @artemis Oh, it always has been. See also the F-104 Starfighter.

      That plane was so bad it got the nickname "widowmaker" from the Germans because so many pilots died flying them. The reputation was so bad that the US (or Lockheed?) paid for an entire Top Gun knock-off movie to be made about them to try and salvage their reputation.

      Fix the problems? No. Just make a movie about how awesome our fancy plane is.

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      @faithisleaping @artemis If there’s any saving grace, it’s that the #MST3K episode on Starfighters has one of the most hilarious lead-in skits of all time 🙂

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      • simplicator@federate.socialS simplicator@federate.social

        @faithisleaping @artemis If there’s any saving grace, it’s that the #MST3K episode on Starfighters has one of the most hilarious lead-in skits of all time 🙂

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        @Simplicator @artemis Oh, that whole episode is a riot. One of my all-time favorites. The movie riffing and the host segments are all top-notch.

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          @sidereal @TeflonTrout @artemis This thread is giving me life right now 🤣

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          • quixoticgeek@social.v.stQ quixoticgeek@social.v.st

            @artemis i was watching a video on how well the US tanks were doing in Ukraine. Aside from the fact 90+% of them have been destroyed, one little nugget of info made me understand so much about US military doctrine and it's overwhelming weakness.

            An M1 Abrams tank, if you fill the fuel tank in the morning, and it sits idling all day (to power target systems and weapons etc...) by sundown the tank is empty, even if it doesn't move. How do you provide the logistics for that madness ?!??

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            @quixoticgeek @artemis

            one of the things about tanks is that, without a continuous supply of fuel, that's what will happen. that's partly why Hitler's tanks didn't fare well in Russia.

            another thing is that a tank's armor only protects against shrapnel and small arms fire at best. if you can't go hull-down anywhere, you're an easy target for artillery and other tanks. every tank game of the past ten years has made this a crucial part of surviving the round. if you treat it like an impenetrable suit of armor, you will die.

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            • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

              The US is a hollow nation. Hollowed out over decades. In the coming years, everyone is about to find out that there is not much left.

              We haven't quite reached the point where they try to strip the last of the drapes & furniture out of the White House to sell, but it feels like we're close, doesn't it? They are stealing & grifting absolutely anything & everything that they can.

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              @artemis nobody bothered with that kind of tedious work, they demolished part of the White House instead. i think they should just leave the rubble there and call it a day.

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              • faithisleaping@anarres.familyF faithisleaping@anarres.family

                @artemis Oh, it always has been. See also the F-104 Starfighter.

                That plane was so bad it got the nickname "widowmaker" from the Germans because so many pilots died flying them. The reputation was so bad that the US (or Lockheed?) paid for an entire Top Gun knock-off movie to be made about them to try and salvage their reputation.

                Fix the problems? No. Just make a movie about how awesome our fancy plane is.

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                @faithisleaping @artemis pilots didn't want the F-35 because it's like a flying pipe organ, it has so much dashboard.

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                • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                  Delusional racism...

                  These motherfuckers think they are the Master Race so they can't actually comprehend that brown people could beat them. They think they win by default.

                  Their brains are so cooked. They did not fucking believe this could possibly be difficult.

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                  @artemis But it's happened before, look at Vietnam!! People power. 💪

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                  • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                    I think the entire world is going to watch as it is proven that for all its swagger & all its fancy equipment, the US military is perhaps not *quite* the unstoppable juggernaut it claims to be.

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                    @artemis remember the overconfidence of “shock and awe”?

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                    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                      So it turns out that having the most *expensive* military tech in the world may not be the best strategy, huh?

                      Who could have known that having very expensive equipment & arms/ammunition that take a long time to make might not be an advantage?

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                      @artemis And we spent how much on all this junk?

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                      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                        Iran appears to be using shortwave radio to send cyphered messages. It's an old school Soviet method of communication. And guess what? It works. None of it goes through a computer, so there is nothing to hack. It's inexpensive & easy to do, & you can just keep changing frequencies when your opponents start interfering with the one you're using.

                        All the fancy spy equipment the US has? Not meant to deal with that simple, low-tech tactic.

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                        @artemis

                        And if the apocalypse comes it will probably be the HAMs that will keep us all connected as we try to rebuild.

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                        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                          Would you honestly believe that there is a single part of the federal government that is not currently being stripped for parts & sold off? Is there a single part that isn't filthy with fraud & bribes & payouts?

                          They have been destroying the ground beneath their (and our) feet for a while.

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                          @artemis
                          Spot on
                          While we continue to pay taxes

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