Can you imagine Mastodon raising 100 MILLION dollars from a crypto VC fund and failing to disclose it... for a full year?

[mat@zelk.space]

@UlrikeHahn it surely is, but nothing technically prevents anyone to crawl data from https://[any_instance]/public/local automatically. It's even worse on AP because you never really delete a post as it's duplicated on a thousands different instances. Someone already did a firehose of activitypub but I can't remember his @

@_elena

[_elena@mastodon.social]

@mastodonmigration it’s the first time in the entire history of capitalism that a company wouldn’t publicly boast about raising 100 million dollars

[mike@thecanadian.social]

@_elena I'm not going to mince words here, that's either total bullshit from Mike or incompetence from the team, or both. You've just received 100 mil in the bank and you can't get a staffer to spend an hour writing a press release. The real hold up was figuring out how they were going to explain it which they still haven't done.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@mat @wjmaggos @_elena

Great. So maybe someday in the future the bluesky ecosystem will eventually have what mastodon already has

[ulrikehahn@fediscience.org]

@mat @_elena I think the legal aspect matters. And once someone downloads an ATproto post it’s not going to vanish by the author deleting it either. There is a freely available archive tool that lets you download your entire Bluesky post history with two clicks. And given how ATproto works, that means you can use the same tool to download, archive and search another users entire history of posts as well

[wjmaggos@liberal.city]

@mat @_elena @benroyce

my understanding is that running your own app view with both a decent experience and reasonable cost is not doable. people are not doing that, while many run fedi servers for a few people.

[sab@hostux.social]

Isn't there also something about the idea of the ATProto ID that it should follow you across the web, making tracking across services easier? On the fediverse we have accounts that are separate, and tracking the same user across the internet remains a significant challenge.

This seems to me to be the real problem BS sought to solve.
@benroyce @_elena @mat

[ulrikehahn@fediscience.org]

@mat @_elena there will hopefully be restricted visibility posts in ATproto eventually. But they weren’t part of the original design

[mat@zelk.space]

@benroyce personally, I think atproto architecture is way ahead of activitypub and does almost anything activitypub ever did. what do you mean by saying "bluesky hasn't everything mastodon has" ?

@wjmaggos @_elena

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@sab @_elena @mat

Yup

"I want to post some shit on social media with an anime profile picture" is perfectly cromulent and so who gives a fuck about DID

The same with the "your messages are portable!" bit the bluesky cringe crew keep enthusing about

Oh yeah, the meme I posted about the Oppenheimer movie 2 years ago is an extremely important record I must preserve for all posterity

2 weeks later, no one gives a shit about your posts

Social media is ephemeral nonsense, not a doctoral thesis

[crazyeddie@mastodon.social]

@_elena He makes it sound like it's me trying to file my taxes on time or something. Anxiety disorder creating artificial roadblocks and "forgetting". I'm also the "CEO" of a software company but mine isn't going anywhere at all, like EVER.

I wonder if he's on SSI. I've been considering it...

And the whole team has it!!?? I'm sorry. That must be a real mess to manage. Does everyone panic at the same time or y'all take turns?

We take turns.

[mat@zelk.space]

@benroyce atproto is way more than a protocol for microblogging. messages aren't the only data our pds stores. it can log all the movies/tvshows we watched, all of our blogs, music history, rss feeds, encrypted messages, games, etc can be stored out there

I think you're criticizing atproto without being aware of how powerful it is. bluesky is just a brick of atproto, just like mastodon is just a brick of activitypub

@sab @_elena

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@mat @sab @_elena

You sound like a cryptobro with your endless enthusiasm for an exciting future while utterly ignoring the pathetic present. Correct: mastodon is just one brick... in an entire house. While bluesky is one brick... oh wait it's the only brick, there's no house, there's no decentralized reality. Just endless cryptobro style salesmanship

[lrhodes@merveilles.town]

@_elena I don't know what the going rate on hiring an intern is at the moment, but I bet $100 million would cover it.

[caiocgo@social.vivaldi.net]

@_elena well... This is really disappointing. I have never trusted BlueSky but I have trusted Mike Masnick. His response is really not convincing at all.

[crazyeddie@mastodon.social]

@ikuturso @wonkothesane @_elena The idea of a personal data server is a good one but it needs some stuff. You should be able to put permissions on things and manage who has access. In AT it's all public.

Should also be able to manage what relays pull what. Be able to negotiate with relays to get into feeds (you're a journalist and want to publish to a journal so you ask to be on their relays).

There's stuff to like about AT. Someone was working on a good idea before VC's got it.

[jerry@hear-me.social]

@craig_patrick @_elena
They aren't forthcoming about financing. So, as would be expected, they are not forthcoming about their monetization plans. These are 2 bad signs.

Then add in the gaslighting about why major funding went unmentioned by both Bluesky and the VCs: "Everyone at Bluesky is just so gosh dang busy nobody had time to mention it." This is the gaslighting we see daily in the news. "I'll give you an obvious, nonsensical excuse, but still expect you to believe it because you all are gullible and emotion-driven."

[mat@zelk.space]

@benroyce I'm only talking about the protocol since the beginning, nothing of what I'm saying is about crypto

@sab @_elena

[_elena@mastodon.social]

@Jerry @craig_patrick thank you Jerry. “Gaslighting” is a perfect way to describe that nonsensical response.

What’s super creepy is that Bain Capital also kept the info under wraps. For a full year! I never heard of anything like this… the kind of news that is usually shouted from the rooftops (ESPECIALLY in this economy)

[sknob@mamot.fr]

@stefan @_elena @benroyce @mat

Telling how one of the answers is about being able to monetize on the user end (« Culture problems w/ ActivityPub/Mastodon on a number of levels. Seemed openly hostile to anyone potentially making money, even small biz »). That’s a feature, not a bug as far as I’m concerned