"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
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Well, that's definitely a strategy, and you've thought about what you think will be the most effective, and I've got no evidence that it isn't, so go ahead I guess (not that you need my permission).
Me, I'm going to go ahead with trying to show people it's in their own best interests to vote. Maybe between the two of us we'll cover all the bases?
so let's say you take one of these typical assholes whining loudly about how they won't vote until {X} happens
say everyone bends over backwards and makes {X} happen
they still won't vote. they will invent a new reason not to
this is their identity. making dramatic displays of their "moral superiority" to justify their indolence, entitlement, and alienation
of course, morality without action isn't morality at all, it's just ego masturbation
they're losers. literally: they lose
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"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
If Hungary goes sane in April, and then if enough of the lazy entitled lumps in the #USA show up to #vote in November (after showing up in the #primaries to get real left candidates: BE THERE), then we can put a real dent on our emergent #fascism
Fuck your #cynicism
VOTE
Let's do this, "degenerate Westoids" 🤭
@benroyce not sure you can actually vote out facism.
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@benroyce not sure you can actually vote out facism.
who won the 2020 us presidential election? and who was president at the time?
thank you to everyone who showed up and voted then
you agree?
so get the fuck out of here with your cowardice and premature capitulation
vote, you spineless asshole
if fascism does destroy us democracy, it will be because of MAGA, and meek submissive fear-addled weak whiners like you
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so let's say you take one of these typical assholes whining loudly about how they won't vote until {X} happens
say everyone bends over backwards and makes {X} happen
they still won't vote. they will invent a new reason not to
this is their identity. making dramatic displays of their "moral superiority" to justify their indolence, entitlement, and alienation
of course, morality without action isn't morality at all, it's just ego masturbation
they're losers. literally: they lose
Yeah, the ones with a ransom list can just drift away for all I care - they will never accomplish anything, and I'm done wasting my time on them.
But there are still lots of other people who don't vote for other reasons: they're busy, they haven't got the habit, they don't think they can make a difference, despair, etc. And I do not want us speaking shorthand and saying "fuck non-voters" to push any of those away...
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who won the 2020 us presidential election? and who was president at the time?
thank you to everyone who showed up and voted then
you agree?
so get the fuck out of here with your cowardice and premature capitulation
vote, you spineless asshole
if fascism does destroy us democracy, it will be because of MAGA, and meek submissive fear-addled weak whiners like you
@benroyce you are missing the big picture. There is no real push back at all right now. We the people seem to think the Dems will save us which is not the case. We are in the five alarm stage now and people keep talking about voting and laws. The president doesn't worry about laws as he does what he wants like making himself billions of dollars. I have no idea what to do and don't see any real push back. Minnesota pushed back for a while and it's over even though ICE is in the suburbs right now.
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Yeah, the ones with a ransom list can just drift away for all I care - they will never accomplish anything, and I'm done wasting my time on them.
But there are still lots of other people who don't vote for other reasons: they're busy, they haven't got the habit, they don't think they can make a difference, despair, etc. And I do not want us speaking shorthand and saying "fuck non-voters" to push any of those away...
... So me, I'm careful in my language. I'm happy to refer to the first type as "pretty prancing purity ponies", or "the folks who didn't vote against the Nazis", but I want to leaves an opening for the second type, and make it clear that they are welcome to join in.
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"#Hungary's opposition #Tisza party widens its lead ahead of #Orban's #Fidesz"
If Hungary goes sane in April, and then if enough of the lazy entitled lumps in the #USA show up to #vote in November (after showing up in the #primaries to get real left candidates: BE THERE), then we can put a real dent on our emergent #fascism
Fuck your #cynicism
VOTE
Let's do this, "degenerate Westoids" 🤭
Spent few days at Hungary in Nov 2924 (was swapping trains), and visited a state-sponsored exhibition adjacent to the city museum.
The city museum spent a lot of time talking about how the city population got massacred when the city was captured from Ottomans in the late 17th century.
Then you moved to the state-sponsored exhibition which outright mentioned that the massacre was good, actually, as it allowed large-scale infrastructure improvements.
Felt dirty just for being there.
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@benroyce not sure you can actually vote out facism.
Sure you can. You just need enough of the population to being committed for the change.
The state apparatus is a complex house of cards, and if people don't support it, it collapses.
People always forget that there's no true absolutist monarchy. The monarch is always supported by special interests, and they in turn by their special interests. If you lose the support of the army, or the railway workers, etc., then it's all over.
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Yeah, the ones with a ransom list can just drift away for all I care - they will never accomplish anything, and I'm done wasting my time on them.
But there are still lots of other people who don't vote for other reasons: they're busy, they haven't got the habit, they don't think they can make a difference, despair, etc. And I do not want us speaking shorthand and saying "fuck non-voters" to push any of those away...
Littterer A is shown a video where someone litters out their car window and someone walks up and soothes their precious feelings and otherwise validates their behavior
Litterer B is shown a video where someone litters out their car window and someone walks up and smashes their side mirror while other people cheer
Which will make the litterer think?
Your problem is your false assumption people who don't vote have a valid reason. They don't. They're just entitled lazy assholes
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@benroyce you are missing the big picture. There is no real push back at all right now. We the people seem to think the Dems will save us which is not the case. We are in the five alarm stage now and people keep talking about voting and laws. The president doesn't worry about laws as he does what he wants like making himself billions of dollars. I have no idea what to do and don't see any real push back. Minnesota pushed back for a while and it's over even though ICE is in the suburbs right now.
Do you vote?
If so good
That's what we need. Then we gradually iterate to better
Buy if you don't vote, go fuck yourself. You're the reason as much as MAGA why we are sliding to fascism
All these fucking lazy rationalizations do is serve various weaknesses and character failures that, in aggregate with other whiny losers, leads to fascism
That's it
VOTE
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Littterer A is shown a video where someone litters out their car window and someone walks up and soothes their precious feelings and otherwise validates their behavior
Litterer B is shown a video where someone litters out their car window and someone walks up and smashes their side mirror while other people cheer
Which will make the litterer think?
Your problem is your false assumption people who don't vote have a valid reason. They don't. They're just entitled lazy assholes
We disagree.
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We disagree.
@jztusk of course we do
So you go out there and validate and soothe the precious feelings of lazy entitled assholes and let me know how it goes. Good luck
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Do you vote?
If so good
That's what we need. Then we gradually iterate to better
Buy if you don't vote, go fuck yourself. You're the reason as much as MAGA why we are sliding to fascism
All these fucking lazy rationalizations do is serve various weaknesses and character failures that, in aggregate with other whiny losers, leads to fascism
That's it
VOTE
@benroyce @idahobucks Pauline Hanson would like an explanation please.
The existence/election of Fraser Anning might be a salutary example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Anning
Australia has compulsory voting and a wider "universal" franchise than the US but still manages to elect and give power to utter bastards.
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@benroyce @idahobucks Pauline Hanson would like an explanation please.
The existence/election of Fraser Anning might be a salutary example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Anning
Australia has compulsory voting and a wider "universal" franchise than the US but still manages to elect and give power to utter bastards.
I don't understand what the point is
We should all vote, right?
PS: is this the guy who got an egg to the face from a teenager?
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Spent few days at Hungary in Nov 2924 (was swapping trains), and visited a state-sponsored exhibition adjacent to the city museum.
The city museum spent a lot of time talking about how the city population got massacred when the city was captured from Ottomans in the late 17th century.
Then you moved to the state-sponsored exhibition which outright mentioned that the massacre was good, actually, as it allowed large-scale infrastructure improvements.
Felt dirty just for being there.
@iju oof
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I don't understand what the point is
We should all vote, right?
PS: is this the guy who got an egg to the face from a teenager?
@benroyce @idahobucks Anning is widely hated, yes. But also voted in.
Assuming that if people who don't vote did they would all vote against fascists isn't a safe assumption. Hungary elected Orban and his government more than once, for example.
Anning is from a nice white English-speaking country so a lot of USA voters find it easier to understand. Plus Australia has compulsory voting and a wider "universal" franchise than the US does.
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... So me, I'm careful in my language. I'm happy to refer to the first type as "pretty prancing purity ponies", or "the folks who didn't vote against the Nazis", but I want to leaves an opening for the second type, and make it clear that they are welcome to join in.
Right. And the question is what is effective to achieve that
Validating bad behavior doesn't achieve that
We're talking about adults here
The idea that there is someone who goes "well i'm not going to vote because someone was mean on social media" is not a serious proposition
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@benroyce @idahobucks Anning is widely hated, yes. But also voted in.
Assuming that if people who don't vote did they would all vote against fascists isn't a safe assumption. Hungary elected Orban and his government more than once, for example.
Anning is from a nice white English-speaking country so a lot of USA voters find it easier to understand. Plus Australia has compulsory voting and a wider "universal" franchise than the US does.
Currently we have trump specifically because not enough showed up
The general idea that fascists can still win elections doesn't mean anything
On the average, fascists have an easier time of it when less people vote
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Currently we have trump specifically because not enough showed up
The general idea that fascists can still win elections doesn't mean anything
On the average, fascists have an easier time of it when less people vote
@benroyce @idahobucks A lot of my caution comes from the US habit of letting governments pick their voters.
The strategy of yelling abuse at non-voters might get a useful outcome, I don't know your local situation well enough to know. But in general yelling abuse is a poor tactic.
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Currently we have trump specifically because not enough showed up
The general idea that fascists can still win elections doesn't mean anything
On the average, fascists have an easier time of it when less people vote
