"Houston, we have a solution."

[jantheowassink@chaos.social]

@thunderbird "Thunderbirds are Go"

[shalien@mastodon.projetretro.io]

@thunderbird Ah someone finally updated it ?

[hacknorris@mstdn.social]

@thunderbird at least they'd had a todo list app builtin… and some chat to friends (like me) too…

[theron29@witter.cz]

@thunderbird For Exchange server backend you definitely want to use #Evolution

[alecaddd@mastodon.social]

@portlandia999 @thunderbird oh, I'm sorry you're experiencing issues.
Would you mind reporting the bug in bugzilla, or sending me a message directly?
Betterbird is a soft fork of Thunderbird, so the protocol code is exactly the same.
It might be that your problem was solved when setting up a new profile in Betterbird for different reasons, but I would love to investigate and solve your problem, so you can come back and not use a less secure version of Thunderbird

[alecaddd@mastodon.social]

@theron29 @thunderbird We support EWS since late last year, so NASA really has no excuses

[portlandia999@mastodon.social]

@alecaddd @thunderbird

Thanks for your reply :>)

After an update, TB started doing 6 or more handshakes to read 2 Outlook inboxes.

I updated again and it didn't fix it, so I tried BB which worked. BB uses the same TB profile so that is not the issue.

I would normally try TB updates until the issue is fixed, but with Mozilla putting AI into its products, I prefer to use alternative forks which don't (including Waterfox). If that changes I will consider switching back.

Thx

[electron_greg@oldbytes.space]

@thunderbird
In all fairness, Thunderbird runs like treacle, even on a modern well specced PC.

[jaj@mastodon.social]

@SeanPLynch @thunderbird In space, the only solution I would see fit is mutt. Maybe make a symlink and call it laika

[alecaddd@mastodon.social]

@portlandia999 @thunderbird I'm sure you know this already, but just in case, Thunderbird development is independent from the general Mozilla push for AI.
We're not adding any AI features in Thunderbird and we're not planning to do that.
Maybe add-ons in the future, but just for those users that want to experiment with it.

Anyway, I would love to help you fix your issues since we want to improve support for Outlook inboxes.

Let me know if you feel comfortable reporting a bug.
Cheers

[portlandia999@mastodon.social]

@alecaddd @thunderbird

Ok, good to know.

I now have separate profiles for TB and BB because updating TB locks out BB. So based on what you've said, I will continue to update TB and the problem will hopefully be fixed at some point, so I will consider switching back since I've used TB a long time.

A lazy approach, but sorry, not much for doing bug reporting.

Thx

[alecaddd@mastodon.social]

@portlandia999 @thunderbird I'll let our protocol developers know about your issue and we will try to investigate.

Please, let me know if anything changes.
Thanks for engaging with us!

[deutrino@mstdn.io]

@electron_greg @thunderbird I just switched back to Thunderbird after years on webmail and yeah, performance is not what I would call one of its strengths

[dshan@mastodon.au]

@thunderbird That's pretty much what I said to myself when I heard the astronaut say that on NASA's live feed.

[luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@thunderbird Honestly, after being user and supporter, this is the second application I'm planning to remove, after I cleaned my systems from Firefox 148 onward, after being a user for twenty years.
The trigger would be again any unwanted AI intrusion: let's see how it goes.

[hans@social.woefdram.nl]

@Portlandia

you'll see why #Mozilla products are no longer the browser/email client of choice

Speak for yourself

A show handshake can be caused by sooo many different things, and without having even a hint of what's causing it, you can't simply blame it on TB.

Start by watching what's happening on the network: big change that TB is waiting for packets from the server.

[hans@social.woefdram.nl]

@luca You can also switch the AI off, of course. Nobody is forcing you to use it.

Let me know what you replace TB with, and if it offers the same quality and features.

[luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@hans Right now, Betterbird.

[hans@social.woefdram.nl]

@Portlandia

So I think it's a fair assumption that the problem is with TB.

Not sure if I agree with that. "Assumption is the brother of all fuckups", to use a quote from "Lock, stock and 2 smoking barrels".

Again, check what's happening on the network. I have enough experience with Microsoft and their dealing with competing software to suspect that they could have implemented something in Exchange to make things to bad when the client turns out to be Thunderbird. Would be a step they have taken countless times in the past 3 decades...

Check for example how they have introduced a slightly different and thereby incompatible "LOGIN" mechanism in SASL and forced out every mail client that only used the agreed-upon version.

Again, assumption is dangerous, you first need to know in which part of the entire chain the problem is.

[thunderbird@mastodon.online]

@luc0x61 Thank you so much for being a user and donor, and hopefully we can reassure you a bit! Any smart features that might go into Thunderbird in the future will be completely opt-in (and will likely be add-ons). We know some users want these features, but others don't, and it's important you get them only after clearly opting in to them. We always want our users to feel in control to make Thunderbird how they want it to be.