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Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

    (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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    @cstross “semantic ablation” is a concise way to describe that feeling of “I just read all the words but I can’t tell what they are trying to convey” that I have gotten after reading certain generated snippets of text.

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    • agowa338@chaos.socialA agowa338@chaos.social

      @cstross

      Or in other words "Why AI is writing in corporate speech"

      pieist@ohai.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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      @agowa338 @cstross

      Depends what level of the corporation you''re speaking to. Management and marketing hype is in some ways the opposite, with a heavy use of "signaling" words that serve little informational purpose, rather they are meant to leave an impression. Think "disruptive", or "leverage" used as a verb...

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      • cstross@wandering.shopC This user is from outside of this forum
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        @malice @JdeBP The Register is a news site: everything has to be flensed and filed down to fit in a standard format and voice. That piece is probably all that's left of an original that was three times the length.

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

          (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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          Semantic ablation: Why AI writing is boring and dangerous

          opinion: The subtractive bias we're ignoring

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          subterfugue@sfba.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #18

          @cstross there’s worse related things.

          We come to see anything that the AI can not and does not produce as invalid and thus reading these bullshit, taupe texts shrinks our creative range, our sense of the possible, and our willingness to forge our own path or follow someone else blazing their own.

          Narrowing the range of semantics to an average is one thing.

          Strangling our range of ideas is another.

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          • pieist@ohai.socialP pieist@ohai.social

            @agowa338 @cstross

            Depends what level of the corporation you''re speaking to. Management and marketing hype is in some ways the opposite, with a heavy use of "signaling" words that serve little informational purpose, rather they are meant to leave an impression. Think "disruptive", or "leverage" used as a verb...

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            @pieist @cstross

            Well but you'll still notice that they're using a bunch of words to say nothing legally binding at all in the end...

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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

              (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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              Semantic ablation: Why AI writing is boring and dangerous

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              #20

              @cstross It is impossible to replace the human experience with a machine. The moment by its nature is sancrosanct; it's only in this atmosphere of gaming real estate insanity where life's nature is just another bitcoin to earn where we have lost our way.

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              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                Semantic ablation: Why AI writing is boring and dangerous

                opinion: The subtractive bias we're ignoring

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                @cstross

                I can’t help seeing in that elements of 1984 where Orwell describes successive reduction in vocabulary with the intended goal of making rebellious thought impossible

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                  (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                  @cstross the new Newspeak

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                    (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                    Semantic ablation: Why AI writing is boring and dangerous

                    opinion: The subtractive bias we're ignoring

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                    #23

                    @cstross neat article, thanks.

                    I had a realization a while ago that LLM writing came at me with the same vibe I caught when I was briefly a teacher, and again in the workplace, where I dealt with people who had unacknowledged literacy challenges. Young folks who assembled written work by cribbing from others and rearranging words “by shape” to fulfill the requirements - always managed to convey zero meaningful thought.

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                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                      Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                      (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                      Semantic ablation: Why AI writing is boring and dangerous

                      opinion: The subtractive bias we're ignoring

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                      @cstross

                      Of cause it does. So the result becomes more and more readable for the deliberately uneducated masses. Style? Content? Facts? Who cares?

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                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                        Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                        (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                        opinion: The subtractive bias we're ignoring

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                        @cstross

                        If you use an LLM to make “objective” decisions or treat it like a reliable partner, you’re almost inevitably stepping into a script that you did not consent to: the optimized, legible, rational agent who behaves in ways that are easy to narrate and evaluate. If you step outside of that script, you can only be framed as incoherent.

                        That style can masquerade as truth because humans are pattern-matchers: we often read smoothness as competence and friction as failure. But rupture in the form of contradiction, uncertainty, “I don’t know yet,” or grief that doesn’t resolve is often is the truthful shape of the thing itself.

                        AI is part of the apparatus that makes truth feel like an aesthetic choice instead of a rupture. That optimization function operates as capture because it encourages you to keep talking to the AI in its format, where pain becomes language and language becomes manageable.

                        The only solution is to refuse legibility.

                        It's already beginning, where people speak the same words as always, but they don't mean the same things anymore from person to person.

                        New information from feedback that doesn't fit another's collapsed constraints for abstraction... can only be perceived as a threat. Because If you demand truth from a system whose objective is stability under stress, it will treat truth as destabilizing noise.

                        Reality is what makes a claim expensive. A model tries to make a claim cheap.

                        Systems that treat closure as safety will converge to smooth, repeatable outputs that erase the remainder. A useful intervention is one that increases the observer’s ability to detect and resist premature convergence by exposing the hidden cost of smoothness and reinstating a legitimate place for uncertainty, contradiction, and falsifiability. But the intervention only remains non-doctrinal if it produces discriminative practice, not portable slogans.

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                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                          Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                          (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                          opinion: The subtractive bias we're ignoring

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                          @cstross by putting a measurable number on this feature, you have now made it possible to train out!

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                          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                            Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                            (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                            @cstross I've previously described LLM-generated text as reading like "a middle management memo that no-one bothers reading". 🤷🏻‍♂️

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                            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                              Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                              (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                              @cstross

                              Gen ai and llms are the tools of fascism.

                              How?

                              Through ENSTUPIFACATION.

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                              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                                (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                                opinion: The subtractive bias we're ignoring

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                                @cstross it's the textual equivalent of prions

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                                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                  Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                                  (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                                  @cstross

                                  nicely described by Orwell as

                                  'NewSpeak'

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                                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                    Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                                    (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                                    @cstross Neural networks, by mathematical nature, are lossy information-compressing artefacts !

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                                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                      Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation.

                                      (We can measure semantic ablation through entropy decay. By running a text through successive AI "refinement" loops, the vocabulary diversity (type-token ratio) collapses.)

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                                      @cstross No surprise that we see the textual equivalent of mad cow disease.

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                                      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                        @malice @JdeBP The Register is a news site: everything has to be flensed and filed down to fit in a standard format and voice. That piece is probably all that's left of an original that was three times the length.

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                                        @malice @JdeBP @cstross That's fair. However, repeatedly including certain types of sentence construction - appealing or not - makes it look dodgy. Or just trolling. 😉

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                                          @malice @JdeBP @cstross That's fair. However, repeatedly including certain types of sentence construction - appealing or not - makes it look dodgy. Or just trolling. 😉

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                                          @pkraus @malice @JdeBP I've been reading The Reg since 1997 or thereabouts. Their house style has history behind it, not LLMs. (I suspect they'd cop to trolling from time to time, though.)

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