@volla has initiated the industry consortium #UnifiedAttestation for an open-source alternative to Google Play Integrity.
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@vollaficationist @GrapheneOS as the brand that focuses the most towards user privacy and security, it makes sense for GrapheneOS to not support something like this which is basically Google but European with its own user surveillance stuff (even if they say, they don't we will just have to trust them blindly like we do with Apple products and consistently there have been proofs that /e/ does communicate with Google and OpenAI servers for stuff that Graphene and Calyx could already without connecting to them, so it's false marketing in a way).
While I do think having an alternative to Play Integrity API is good and it's better than nothing but hardware attestation is the best way to do it. And Volla & Murena doing something that gives them total control instead of pushing something focused towards privacy like hardware attestation shows that there have some ulterior motives. And with EU also pushing for surveillance like Chat Control and backdoors, I'm not sure this is a good idea.
@skywalker2k17 @GrapheneOS Look, it's not "Volla and Murena." It's an open approach. If you have a better idea, pursue it. UA invites any and all. Please understand that the crux of the matter is to achieve app compatibility outside of googlag.
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@skywalker2k17 @GrapheneOS Look, it's not "Volla and Murena." It's an open approach. If you have a better idea, pursue it. UA invites any and all. Please understand that the crux of the matter is to achieve app compatibility outside of googlag.
@vollaficationist @GrapheneOS the better idea is Android's built in hardware attestation lol.
Edit : the crux of the matter is both taking control out of Google and them taking that control into their hands. Even if it's open source, they are the ones deciding what apps will be approved for everyone else like how Google is trying to lock Android now, the same might happen in the future.
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@skywalker2k17 @GrapheneOS Look, it's not "Volla and Murena." It's an open approach. If you have a better idea, pursue it. UA invites any and all. Please understand that the crux of the matter is to achieve app compatibility outside of googlag.
@vollaficationist @skywalker2k17 It's not an open approach but rather an anti-competitive cartel formed between multiple companies to permit their products while locking out others. GrapheneOS won't participate and we'll file a lawsuit against each company involved for banning GrapheneOS. Unified Attestation is nothing short of a declaration of war on not only GrapheneOS but anyone who wants to be able to choose their hardware and software without needing approval from the EU and EU companies.
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@vollaficationist In Operation Trojan Shield, a bunch of European states worked with the FBI to sell backdoored devices to organized crime. They marketed these devices as being based on GrapheneOS or as running GrapheneOS. They harmed the reputation of GrapheneOS by marketing it to criminals and put us at high risk of physical harm by violent criminals. More recently, multiple European states are attacking actual GrapheneOS falsely claiming it's mainly used by criminals.
ANOM – Darknet Diaries
In this episode, Joseph Cox tells us the story of ANOM. A secure phone made by criminals, for criminals.
(darknetdiaries.com)
@GrapheneOS I can not relate to this, unfortunately. I focus on an opensource alternative to googlag. Looking forward. Positively, constructively. Let's say UA becomes a success. Well, GOS is free to do their own thing. As are everyone else.
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@vollaficationist @GrapheneOS the better idea is Android's built in hardware attestation lol.
Edit : the crux of the matter is both taking control out of Google and them taking that control into their hands. Even if it's open source, they are the ones deciding what apps will be approved for everyone else like how Google is trying to lock Android now, the same might happen in the future.
@skywalker2k17 How would you do it? You are free to pursue that path. We are simply inviting to a new path - a path that is still and always in the making.
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@GrapheneOS I can not relate to this, unfortunately. I focus on an opensource alternative to googlag. Looking forward. Positively, constructively. Let's say UA becomes a success. Well, GOS is free to do their own thing. As are everyone else.
@vollaficationist Unified Attestation is working towards eroding people's rights within the European Union and beyond. Play Integrity API is bad enough but at least it can be fought against in Europe by taking advantage of people not wanting a US company in control of which hardware and software they're allowed to use. Unified Attestation is directly undermining our efforts to fight against the Play Integrity API in Europe which were starting to get traction. We now have to focus on UA instead.
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@skywalker2k17 How would you do it? You are free to pursue that path. We are simply inviting to a new path - a path that is still and always in the making.
@vollaficationist if you bothered reading what GrapheneOS replied to you, you would know it already cuz they said it on one of their replies and yeah, good luck on your new path.
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@vollaficationist @skywalker2k17 It's not an open approach but rather an anti-competitive cartel formed between multiple companies to permit their products while locking out others. GrapheneOS won't participate and we'll file a lawsuit against each company involved for banning GrapheneOS. Unified Attestation is nothing short of a declaration of war on not only GrapheneOS but anyone who wants to be able to choose their hardware and software without needing approval from the EU and EU companies.
@GrapheneOS @skywalker2k17 you keep repeating your magical words, my friend. It won't change a thing. Time was much better spent with a constructive dialogue set to solve problems pragmatically. Perhaps Canadian laws could be the problem?
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@GrapheneOS Will you really? And you didn't Google? Now I'm actually really getting worried about the status of GOS. Well, I wish you the best.
@vollaficationist Yes, we'll file a lawsuit against each company involved in Unified Attestation for the damages done by their anti-competitive cartel to GrapheneOS. It's likely not only going to be us filing this lawsuit. We can work with many other stakeholders interested in stopping creeping authoritarianism in Europe eroding people's right to use whatever hardware and software they want to use. You're working alongside politicians pushing expanded Chat Control. This is perfect for them.
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@vollaficationist In Operation Trojan Shield, a bunch of European states worked with the FBI to sell backdoored devices to organized crime. They marketed these devices as being based on GrapheneOS or as running GrapheneOS. They harmed the reputation of GrapheneOS by marketing it to criminals and put us at high risk of physical harm by violent criminals. More recently, multiple European states are attacking actual GrapheneOS falsely claiming it's mainly used by criminals.
ANOM – Darknet Diaries
In this episode, Joseph Cox tells us the story of ANOM. A secure phone made by criminals, for criminals.
(darknetdiaries.com)
@GrapheneOS @vollaficationist las practicas de los gobiernos como la coersion y violencia también son usados por los delincuentes... Así que deberían eliminarse también los gobiernos... Los cuchillos y armas de fuego también... Los bates de béisbol también lo usan...y no los han eliminado... La amenaza de daño si no les das un porcentaje muy alto de tu valor es usado por gobiernos y estos no han sido eliminados aun...etc...
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@GrapheneOS @skywalker2k17 you keep repeating your magical words, my friend. It won't change a thing. Time was much better spent with a constructive dialogue set to solve problems pragmatically. Perhaps Canadian laws could be the problem?
Just one example of thinking.@vollaficationist @skywalker2k17 We're explaining to people what you're actually doing and how it's going to harm them to have an EU consortium of companies in control of which hardware and software they're allowed to use. It's absolutely going to change things. People aren't yet widely aware of how you're declaring war on their freedom to use alternatives including GrapheneOS. Both Canada and the EU forbid companies getting together to make a system allowing their products but not others.
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@vollaficationist if you bothered reading what GrapheneOS replied to you, you would know it already cuz they said it on one of their replies and yeah, good luck on your new path.
@skywalker2k17 I did. I have seen a hundred posts from this guy. It's like he's all over the place, simultaneously, 24/7. Well, perhaps they have several people hired for shrieking standing on the side-line. I saw a hundred, but I think we are more talking about thousands by now. I'm pretty much done. I have work to do!
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@vollaficationist Yes, we'll file a lawsuit against each company involved in Unified Attestation for the damages done by their anti-competitive cartel to GrapheneOS. It's likely not only going to be us filing this lawsuit. We can work with many other stakeholders interested in stopping creeping authoritarianism in Europe eroding people's right to use whatever hardware and software they want to use. You're working alongside politicians pushing expanded Chat Control. This is perfect for them.
@GrapheneOS Thank you GrapheneOS for really doing this. I just wish people took the time to actually read more about /e/ and the others. Kinda reminds me about my ignorance.
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@vollaficationist Yes, we'll file a lawsuit against each company involved in Unified Attestation for the damages done by their anti-competitive cartel to GrapheneOS. It's likely not only going to be us filing this lawsuit. We can work with many other stakeholders interested in stopping creeping authoritarianism in Europe eroding people's right to use whatever hardware and software they want to use. You're working alongside politicians pushing expanded Chat Control. This is perfect for them.
@GrapheneOS @vollaficationist Funny how you don't answer on the Google-part. Why don't you attack them since they control the whole Android ecosystem, making it a mess to anyone to do things different and are pushing to close it even more. Last time you replied you just said Google has more money for lawyers...
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@vollaficationist Yes, we'll file a lawsuit against each company involved in Unified Attestation for the damages done by their anti-competitive cartel to GrapheneOS. It's likely not only going to be us filing this lawsuit. We can work with many other stakeholders interested in stopping creeping authoritarianism in Europe eroding people's right to use whatever hardware and software they want to use. You're working alongside politicians pushing expanded Chat Control. This is perfect for them.
@GrapheneOS please, how many people are hired by GOS for being all over social media 24/7? This day is my first and only day doing this. Would you guess why?
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@GrapheneOS @vollaficationist Funny how you don't answer on the Google-part. Why don't you attack them since they control the whole Android ecosystem, making it a mess to anyone to do things different and are pushing to close it even more. Last time you replied you just said Google has more money for lawyers...
@guilg @vollaficationist We've been actively fighting against the Play Integrity API for years. We were making substantial progress in both Europe and India. We've also been coordinating with multiple other companies towards filing a lawsuit against Google. Unified Attestation is an enormous gift to Google helping to legitimize what they're doing with the Play Integrity API. Volla is playing into the hands of authoritarians who want systems disallowing people using arbitrary hardware/software.
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@GrapheneOS @vollaficationist Funny how you don't answer on the Google-part. Why don't you attack them since they control the whole Android ecosystem, making it a mess to anyone to do things different and are pushing to close it even more. Last time you replied you just said Google has more money for lawyers...
@guilg @GrapheneOS I suspect GOS is more, or different, from what they state they are. And from where do we always see v projection?
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@guilg @vollaficationist We've been actively fighting against the Play Integrity API for years. We were making substantial progress in both Europe and India. We've also been coordinating with multiple other companies towards filing a lawsuit against Google. Unified Attestation is an enormous gift to Google helping to legitimize what they're doing with the Play Integrity API. Volla is playing into the hands of authoritarians who want systems disallowing people using arbitrary hardware/software.
@GrapheneOS @guilg So, years with no fruit.
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@GrapheneOS @skywalker2k17 you keep repeating your magical words, my friend. It won't change a thing. Time was much better spent with a constructive dialogue set to solve problems pragmatically. Perhaps Canadian laws could be the problem?
Just one example of thinking.@vollaficationist @GrapheneOS @skywalker2k17
Competitive for me, not for thee
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@GrapheneOS @guilg So, years with no fruit.
@vollaficationist @guilg Substantial progress has been made with regulators. Separately from that, we convinced over a dozen apps to stop using the Play Integrity API. You're actively sabotaging all of these efforts.
